Waiting for the latest update. The spot of both crimes I have spent many hours on over 34 years. I'm hoping body #2 is actually the criminal. At the press conference, some reporters are soooooo stupid. The investigators would ask questions over and over, even after firmly being told they coulod not comment. The police are doing a great job. Stay tuned.
Everything I've heard is that the perp killed a police officer that stopped him for a traffic violation, then ran, and a little while later killed himself. I hope so. Except for the officer being killed, that is the best way for this to end. I pray for the officer's family.
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OK it apparently wasn't the person pulled over, but someone that just walked up out of the blue and shot him. It was the perp that was the other death.
I don't care that he's dead, but there's always uncertainty when someone new takes over.
My cousin is in the Army and stationed in South Korea. He's already done 3 tours in Iraq. When he got deployed to South Korea I thought at least it's safer and prettier than Iraq. Just hoping our people there aren't in for trouble.
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I'm sure a lot of you watched the SC Republican debate, did Newt Gingrich own Juan Williams or what?
Gingrich ate Juan's lunch and sent him home like a whipped puppy with his tail between his legs!
I was a big time Herman Cain fan but Herman's gone, so, I'm turning my attention to my home town boy, (my former Congressman) Newt Gingrich!
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I was shocked when I read about the passing of Andrew Breitbart this morning. I thought it was a sick joke at first, but it's true. He was a force to be reckoned with, and he will be missed.
Breitbart was a shock to me to be sure. He did a lot of good things for Conservatism.
Another one I'm sad about was Davy Jones of the Monkeys. He died of a heart attack yesterday. I used to watch their silly show every day after school, and I still like their music.
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GaCDBFan wrote: GaCDBFan wrote: and I still like their music.Or should I say (mostly) Neal Diamond's music? I didn't know Neal Diamond wrote a lot of their music until yesterday. I always loved Neil Diamond too.
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I could tell even when I was a kid. My mom was a big Neal Diamond fan. The style of the music of older Neal Diamond stuff and earlier Monkeys (actually, I think they spelled it Monkees didn't they) was so similar, even to me as a LITTLE kid, it seemed obvious.
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As much as I usually do not pay attention to and find the lives of most Hollywierd celebs, just plain unimportant. Clark kind of sticks out in my mind because I think people thought he must have some kind of fountain of youth secret and until the last few years, never seemed to age much in appearance. Whether it was plastic surgery, botox or what have you. It just seems strange to hear of his passing.
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Don't blame me, I voted for Romney.
Lucky for me I didn't find out about this until all the kids were released or I might have had a heart attack! A bomb threat was called in to the high school which is right next door to the elementary school and I had one grandkid in each school. They haven't found anything yet and I really hope there isn't anything to find.
I just called my six year old grandson and asked him if he was scared and he said no, he wanted to fight them! He said he kept asking the teachers if he could go fight them. He made his grandma very proud!
I'm thanking God for the safety of all the kids...
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Unbelievably there was another lock down at both schools again today, and thankfully it was another hoax, but by the same person. I hope they catch this person before he has a chance to escalate.
Today the elementary school kids were told to get under their desks and put their heads down on their backpacks and go to sleep! My grandson said he prayed to God to let him survive this lock down and went to sleep.
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It looks like you were right GA. They said it was a prank called 'swatting'. They don't think it was a student though. They said these people can be anywhere, in another state or even another country. They use a computer to make the call look like it's local and call in threats in the hopes of getting a Swat response.
I'm glad it was a prank, because the kids were safe, but it makes me really angry at the same time for putting everyone through that kind of stress, especially the kids! Then there's the cost of the whole operation. I hope they get whoever they are and hit them with the full force of the law.
"It's not like the prank phone calls of years ago," Devine said. Fools the 911 system
Part of why swatting is so alarming to emergency responders is that virtually anyone with access to the Web can do it. Voice-over-IP phones, which rely on an Internet connection, allow a caller to choose the number that the recipient sees. Many companies also offer caller ID spoofing services online. They have legitimate uses: a doctor who wants his office number to appear when he is responding to a patient's emergency call from his cellphone, for example. But it also allows swatters to appear to be calling from the home phone number of their targets, as they report a gruesome murder or a home intrusion.
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GaCDBFan wrote: Caller ID spoofing is surprisingly easy to do. I didn't know anyone used it like this, I guess I don't think like a criminal...
I don't either.
This type of thing would never even enter my thinking.
What I don't understand is, what do these idiots get out of doing this type of thing?
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I think it is a form of terrorism. I was very upset when I heard about it the second day. I didn't think it would be a false alarm two days in a row. And to hear my young grandson say he asked God to help him survive the lock down is heart wrenching! He shouldn't have had to wonder if he would survive!
He's home with me today. When his mother called the school to let them know he wouldn't be there they told her it would be an unexcused absence. What?! Are they kidding me?! The kids were terrorized two days in a row and they don't it's justifiable for parents would keep their children home on the third day? Too much!
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legitlinda wrote: I think it is a form of terrorism. I was very upset when I heard about it the second day. I didn't think it would be a false alarm two days in a row. And to hear my young grandson say he asked God to help him survive the lock down is heart wrenching! He shouldn't have had to wonder if he would survive!
He's home with me today. When his mother called the school to let them know he wouldn't be there they told her it would be an unexcused absence. What?! Are they kidding me?! The kids were terrorized two days in a row and they don't it's justifiable for parents would keep their children home on the third day? Too much!
Tell them that he is going to therapy for the terror of the last 2 days, because he is afraid to go to school, and you are sending them the bill.
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HOKIE wrote: Breaking News: Hokie makes the news. Bald guy, white shirt, taking pictures.
Click on the link below, and look for Biker Sunday. Transfer it here if you know how to run a computer!
http://www.wdbj7.comLookin good Hokie!!! I love the whole Biker Sunday message too. Good for that Pastor for hosting it.
I was in church years ago when we heard the sound of bikers in the parking lot. They wanted to attend the service, but the Ushers went outside and told them they wouldn't fit in here. I couldn't believe they turned them away. Our Pastor rides a Harley too. Now these many years later they've lost members to a mega-church that welcomes everyone and now I see billboards around town of my old Pastor on his Harley sporting his leathers. I just shake my head in shame for him.
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Thanks. The Biker Sunday has been a success for a few years now, and we had bikes, food and fun ........ after hearing the word of God preached, and preached well. It was a very good service!
Get your motor running
Heading to Sunday Service,
Looking for Christ's Spirit
I know He'll come my way.
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A private investigator has been unable to find the only eyewitness to the sudden death of media innovator and Conservative activist Andrew Breitbart.
Also, on the day the L.A. County Coroner released Breitbart's autopsy report, a photographic technician at the coroner's office died suddenly of suspicious causes.
Curiouser and curiouser and curiouser!
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These slimeballs in Congress are proving ONCE AGAIN that they are nothing but TRASH! 2014 can't get here soon enough!
God help this nation if Conservative Tea Party candidates can't wrest control from these idgits!
Amended post: I meant to say "Mental Midgets", which is kind of the same thing.
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Have you seen this one on the news?...I haven't. Who says stuff like this? I didn't put this under "Knuckleheads" because it's more fit for a "Driven By Hate, Insanity Rules Among Dems" thread.
Mitch M may be a RINO, but he's no Ted Bundy. Ashley Judd's remark is outrageous, bordering on nuts. And where are the women's groups who should be carping about the remark making light of a serious matter, and how she's using it to advance her own plans? I have to admit that this one floored me.
In case you have all been wrapped up in all the other day to day BS that has become life in general.....Have you taken notice of all the NOW different stories coming out over what actually happened to Bin Laden? there are reports that he died 5 years prior to the Seal raid. do you know the Seals are all pretty much not allowed to talk about it? Have you noticed how many of them involved are now DEAD? Something NOT RIGHT.
One student was hiding in a classroom with 50 other students said they were just sitting there not knowing what to do. He said they were praying, and they knew they had God, but they wish they had guns too.
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prayers up for victims in Boston. Appears to be 2 explosions from bombs in close proximity to the finish line. Initial reports are 2 dead and over 25 injured.
BigD wrote: They say they have a Saudi Notional under arrest in the Boston deal. If so, then isnt it time to start booting foreigners out of the USA and scrapping this idiotic Legalization thought.......And we are going to need guns once WW III breaks out
One of the pictures that has come out of this terrorist attack is a man who has lost both his legs being taken to a hospital. Next to him is a man in a cowboy hat who is applying pressure to a tourniquet to keep the man from bleeding to death. The man in the cowboy hat, Carlos Arrendondo, is an immigrant, an immigrant who lost both his sons due to the Iraq War. So if you're using this tragedy to tar all immigrants with the same brush, then you are a very horrible person.
As for the false flag accusations. You're starting to sound like those 9/11 conspiracy theorists. It's not flattering.
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PointGiven wrote: BigD wrote: They say they have a Saudi Notional under arrest in the Boston deal. If so, then isnt it time to start booting foreigners out of the USA and scrapping this idiotic Legalization thought.......And we are going to need guns once WW III breaks out
One of the pictures that has come out of this terrorist attack is a man who has lost both his legs being taken to a hospital. Next to him is a man in a cowboy hat who is applying pressure to a tourniquet to keep the man from bleeding to death. The man in the cowboy hat, Carlos Arrendondo, is an immigrant, an immigrant who lost both his sons due to the Iraq War. So if you're using this tragedy to tar all immigrants with the same brush, then you are a very horrible person.
As for the false flag accusations. You're starting to sound like those 9/11 conspiracy theorists. It's not flattering.
It is not meant to be "flattering".
Try "enlightening", wise guy.
It's called "critical thinking", son. It's about thinking the whole thing through when stuff like this happens, and considering all the persons ... all the persons, you understand... who might stand to gain by carrying out a terrorist attack.
Lololol !!!
I got news for you, pal. I'm not "starting" to sound like what you call one of "those 9/11 conspiracy theorists". I've been such a theorist for quite some time.
Let me tell you, I wear your label like a badge of honor!
Word...
Try "conspiracy realist"... who does not believe we have angels occupying the White House right now; who knows that in the name of "homeland security" and the like, the present administration might just manipulate this incident as another way to ratchet up their systematic effort to rob perfectly law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.
But, hey, believe what you want to believe, man. That's your right.
MarkusLeoninus wrote: PointGiven wrote: BigD wrote: They say they have a Saudi Notional under arrest in the Boston deal. If so, then isnt it time to start booting foreigners out of the USA and scrapping this idiotic Legalization thought.......And we are going to need guns once WW III breaks out
One of the pictures that has come out of this terrorist attack is a man who has lost both his legs being taken to a hospital. Next to him is a man in a cowboy hat who is applying pressure to a tourniquet to keep the man from bleeding to death. The man in the cowboy hat, Carlos Arrendondo, is an immigrant, an immigrant who lost both his sons due to the Iraq War. So if you're using this tragedy to tar all immigrants with the same brush, then you are a very horrible person.
As for the false flag accusations. You're starting to sound like those 9/11 conspiracy theorists. It's not flattering.
It is not meant to be "flattering".
Try "enlightening", wise guy.
It's called "critical thinking", son. It's about thinking the whole thing through when stuff like this happens, and considering all the persons ... all the persons, you understand... who might stand to gain by carrying out a terrorist attack.
Lololol !!!
I got news for you, pal. I'm not "starting" to sound like what you call one of "those 9/11 conspiracy theorists". I've been such a theorist for quite some time.
Let me tell you, I wear your label like a badge of honor!
Word...
Try "conspiracy realist"... who does not believe we have angels occupying the White House right now; who knows that in the name of "homeland security" and the like, the present administration might just manipulate this incident as another way to ratchet up their systematic effort to rob perfectly law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.
But, hey, believe what you want to believe, man. That's your right.
Lololol !
"Not flattering"
Get real.
Talk about jumping to delusions. Let's let the investigators investigate and wait until the facts come in.
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Aldebaran wrote: MarkusLeoninus wrote: PointGiven wrote: BigD wrote: They say they have a Saudi Notional under arrest in the Boston deal. If so, then isnt it time to start booting foreigners out of the USA and scrapping this idiotic Legalization thought.......And we are going to need guns once WW III breaks out
One of the pictures that has come out of this terrorist attack is a man who has lost both his legs being taken to a hospital. Next to him is a man in a cowboy hat who is applying pressure to a tourniquet to keep the man from bleeding to death. The man in the cowboy hat, Carlos Arrendondo, is an immigrant, an immigrant who lost both his sons due to the Iraq War. So if you're using this tragedy to tar all immigrants with the same brush, then you are a very horrible person.
As for the false flag accusations. You're starting to sound like those 9/11 conspiracy theorists. It's not flattering.
It is not meant to be "flattering".
Try "enlightening", wise guy.
It's called "critical thinking", son. It's about thinking the whole thing through when stuff like this happens, and considering all the persons ... all the persons, you understand... who might stand to gain by carrying out a terrorist attack.
Lololol !!!
I got news for you, pal. I'm not "starting" to sound like what you call one of "those 9/11 conspiracy theorists". I've been such a theorist for quite some time.
Let me tell you, I wear your label like a badge of honor!
Word...
Try "conspiracy realist"... who does not believe we have angels occupying the White House right now; who knows that in the name of "homeland security" and the like, the present administration might just manipulate this incident as another way to ratchet up their systematic effort to rob perfectly law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.
But, hey, believe what you want to believe, man. That's your right.
Lololol !
"Not flattering"
Get real.
Talk about jumping to delusions. Let's let the investigators investigate and wait until the facts come in.
Oh, I'm waiting. Just as sure as the sunrise, friend, I'm waiting.
I'm watching.
I'm listening.
Every fiber of my being, every cell, waits to see how the Obama administration spins "the facts"... as delivered by his appointees, his investigators.
Hey, I hope Christopher Greene is wrong.
I hope that I'm wrong, too, in sharing precisely the exact same suspicions he expresses, which is concerned with how this might be just another way to set up an Orwellian police state, in which freedoms of law-abiding citizens go increasingly out the window.
A world in which we the people, who have no criminal record or history, are the ones under suspicion, the ones watched, the ones spied upon, and categorized as terrorist threats.... while the real criminals, whoever they may be, get clean off the hook.
Fact is, it is already happening. Been going on for a while, friend. This trend of using tragedies like 9/11, Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc., to erode Constitutional rights and freedoms of citizens, while the scumbags never get under common-sense prosecution what they should get.
What should the authorities do with terrorists, rapists, child abusers, and the like? How about actually punish them to the fullest extent of the law?! How about eliminate them, the first time, every time, and consistently?!
How about doing that, instead of systematically tearing down the rights and freedoms of citizens?!
Think that might get a message out to the scumbags that if they carry out such crimes they will pay dearly for it?
I, for one, am sure of it.
Yeah. Lets just wait and see how much deeper the PC crap gets on the basis of this latest event.
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Pointgiven.....I must assume you know what you are talking about? true he lost both sons in US combat-However he was an Illegal at the time, the man after getting the news set himself on fire, It was ONLY because Ted Kennedy stepping in personally, that he became a US citizen. I would be questioning his actually-as he was able to describe an IED that was on the ground and blast upward, he seems to have been close enough to has seen people getting blown up--just strikes me curious
Arredondo lost one son in Iraq, the other committed suicide as a result of falling into depression after his brother's death.
I haven't heard anything about him describing an IED, not say it didn't happen, just that this is the first I'm hearing of it.
I looked at your link and it says Arredondo was an immigrant who was helped by Ted Kennedy, but became a citizen after a bill passed by President Bush allowing parents of those killed in action to become citizens.
On December 12, 2006, Arredondo became a U.S citizen, with the help of U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy[9] Carlos legally changed his name to Alexander Brian Arredondo upon receiving his citizenship which he received following his son Alexander's death in line with a bill passed by President George W. Bush in 2004 which allowed parents of those killed in action to become legal immigrants
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BigD wrote: PointGiven wrote: BigD wrote: They say they have a Saudi Notional under arrest in the Boston deal. If so, then isnt it time to start booting foreigners out of the USA and scrapping this idiotic Legalization thought.......And we are going to need guns once WW III breaks out
You lumped in Immigrants with Illegals--I am afraid you seem close minded--My Grandparents came over on the boat--though Ellis Island--I have documented proof--that means they came here the right way--and there were no signs or paperwork in Polish for them--they HAD to assimilate, no bi-lingual anything.
NO you have me wrong--I am completely for anyone coming to America as a LEGAL US Citizen. But granting amnesty to those illegals here is a GIANT mistake, Making it easier for someone to become Legal is a GIANT mistake. and all these foreign students here taking advantage of the US Education system-is a GIANT mistake---Sorry I will make my point clearer--if one IS NOT a legal U.S. Citizen they need to be rounded up and booted out-even with a visa--OUT--no direct flights into the USA from hostile countries either.
Now as for your bringing up Mr. Arrendo
One of the pictures that has come out of this terrorist attack is a man who has lost both his legs being taken to a hospital. Next to him is a man in a cowboy hat who is applying pressure to a tourniquet to keep the man from bleeding to death. The man in the cowboy hat, Carlos Arrendondo, is an immigrant, an immigrant who lost both his sons due to the Iraq War. So if you're using this tragedy to tar all immigrants with the same brush, then you are a very horrible person.
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Pointgiven.....I must assume you know what you are talking about? true he lost both sons in US combat-However he was an Illegal at the time, the man after getting the news set himself on fire, It was ONLY because Ted Kennedy stepping in personally, that he became a US citizen. I would be questioning his actually-as he was able to describe an IED that was on the ground and blast upward, he seems to have been close enough to has seen people getting blown up--just strikes me curious
Here's what annoyed me when this report came out...What the **** were reporters doing going into the guy's background? I thought the very reason the press was there was to report the incident. A man is lying there, having lost a couple of his limbs, and some turkey is worrying about who is helping the guy and his status as a citizen or whatever. The story itself shows how dumba**** the MSM has become. Reporters have lost it.....
We might find that it was homegrown...we don't know much of anything yet. So, I don't need to hear from a bunch of Libs that I'm jumping the gun. This still applies because the boot needs to be administered to whoever did it. If it's found to be homegrown, someone besides the bomber has to have known it was coming. If it's proven beyond any doubt that someone knew and did nothing to stop it, that person's home should be bulldozed just like the Israeli's do with their terrorists and their cohorts. It's still extremely sad that we have come to such a place of weakness in the eyes of the world that anybody would feel confident about attacking us.
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BIG D is right on the mark on the issue of Illegals...there should be No Exceptions period! Anyone wanting to live in the USA, fill out the paperwork & get on the waiting list...Legally! And there should actually be a Freeze on immigration until such time as All our present citizens are Employed with decent jobs and able to afford food and housing without assistance!
And Big D May! even be correct on the issue of the 'good samaritan' being involved!
Looks like the FBI is hot on the bombers' trail. The two have been identified as brothers from the Chechnya region. Just a few hours after the FBI released their pictures, they held up a convenience store, carjacked a ban, then led police on a chase, while shooting and throwing bombs at them. They've apparently killed at least one officer from the MIT police dept, and one of them was killed either by the police, or by his own hand. Hopefully, the other will soon follow suit, although it would be good to get him in custody to see if they did this on their own, or at someone else's orders.
GaCDBFan wrote: Looks like the FBI is hot on the bombers' trail. The two have been identified as brothers from the Chechnya region. Just a few hours after the FBI released their pictures, they held up a convenience store, carjacked a ban, then led police on a chase, while shooting and throwing bombs at them. They've apparently killed at least one officer from the MIT police dept, and one of them was killed either by the police, or by his own hand. Hopefully, the other will soon follow suit, although it would be good to get him in custody to see if they did this on their own, or at someone else's orders.
The following is an excerpt from an article by Paul Joseph Watson at Alex Jones' InfoWars site:
If we accept that the suspect killed by police was involved in the bombings, any information he could have known about additional accomplices or the numerous private security men that were also walking around the scene of the blast wearing heavy black backpacks, has now been buried.
In addition, a possible Saudi connection to the bombings which led to a “person of interest” being deported shortly after the Saudi Foreign Minister held an unscheduled meeting with President Obama, will also be harder to uncover if police kill the remaining culprit.
In any case where wider involvement in a plot needs to be covered up, the best kind of pasty is a dead patsy, so don’t be surprised if Sunil Tripathi meets the same fate as his alleged accomplice within the next 24 hours. Dead men tell no tales.
If the suspects named by the FBI are the ones responsible for the bombings, they appear to have zero connection to the Tea Party, conservatives, gun owners, or libertarians, meaning the likes of Michael Moore and David Axelrod – who both asserted a Tea Party connection within hours of the bombing – got it completely wrong and owe conservatives a pretty hefty apology.
With regard to Watson's last paragraph there... we all know that Michael Moore, David Axelrod and any other high profile anti-2nd Amendment (anti-Constitutional and therefore anti-American) kooks out there will never render due apology to any of us who believe in the 2nd Amendment. For such people to apologize would be too much like the right thing to do. So let us not hold our breath waiting for that.
Now...
Let Watson's "dead men tell no tales" observation in the above quote sink in really good.
Think about it carefully.
If it turns out that authorities kill the second suspect before he can be brought to trial or even so much as be taken into custody... well, then, my friends, numerous questions connected to this bombing case will go unanswered. I am referring to questions such as the ones raised by Watson in the above article.
And here's the thing to watch from this point forward:
Regardless of just exactly who planned this attack in Boston, and regardless of just who all was involved in it, the next question is quite simply... How will Obama and his bunch spin this matter in terms of stepping up their ongoing attacks against the 2nd Amendment?
7:06 CDT...2nd suspect is reportedly pinned down in a boat in Watertown, Mass. It's believed he's wounded. It's on nearly all the channels, so I suppose it's not misinformation.
Ok, 7:23 p.m. CST, the press is using the term, 'the body' may be in the boat. They're awaiting 'confirmation' from the police that it's thee guy and he's dead or soon will be.
As cold as it might sound, I think the Media is way over speculating and over killing this event. And the authorities there are for sure, way overkilling this thing. All mass transit has been shut down, every cop and agent within 100 miles is working this looking for one 19 year old kid. Don't get me wrong, this was terrible thing and people where maimed and killed. It needs to be investigated and the Perps or last surviving Perp, needs to be dealt with and if the investigation leads to a Terrorist cell that is operating inside the US than go after them to but, all this endless speculation is making me knumb and I just think the Media should start by just reporting the facts and let the chips fall where they may. I don't see where all this coverage helps the authorities at all and in fact may hamper their efforts.
Today is the 18th anniversay of the OKC Murrah Federal Building Bombing where 100s lost their lives and a thousand or so where injured and for this to be getting about the same response just somehow doesn't seem square to me. Maybe I am wrong but, that's the way it seems.
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Gobblerblaster wrote: As cold as it might sound, I think the Media is way over speculating and over killing this event. And the authorities there are for sure, way overkilling this thing. All mass transit has been shut down, every cop and agent within 100 miles is working this looking for one 19 year old kid. Don't get me wrong, this was terrible thing and people where maimed and killed. It needs to be investigated and the Perps or last surviving Perp, needs to be dealt with and if the investigation leads to a Terrorist cell that is operating inside the US than go after them to but, all this endless speculation is making me knumb and I just think the Media should start by just reporting the facts and let the chips fall where they may. I don't see where all this coverage helps the authorities at all and in fact may hamper their efforts.
Today is the 18th anniversay of the OKC Murrah Federal Building Bombing where 100s lost their lives and a thousand or so where injured and for this to be getting about the same response just somehow doesn't seem square to me. Maybe I am wrong but, that's the way it seems.
Based on what little we do know as actual fact, GB, I don't see your view as cold in any way. They shut down a huge city, no doubt at a huge expense to households and businesses. As you said, for one young man on the run. It's becoming clear right now that officials believed he was already wounded from last night's shootout which killed his older brother. He was alone and on the run with no resources of his own. Still, his goal was just that of getting away, not moving down the road and blowing some other area up...maybe down the road, but not for some time.
I'm concerned about how it was handled because...is this how future ones would be handled? I don't know that the govt even has an actual plan for procedures or will just take each as it comes. If they do that...whose city will shut down next? Whose streets will be filled with tanks and armed soldiers next time? Just how many people does it take to catch 1-2 men running away? I wish I could express it better. I only know I felt uncomfortable with some of it. Maybe it's just because it all happened so fast.
And what is this big secret about the Saudi national that Glenn Beck has said he will reveal on Monday if the govt refuses to do so before then? Will GBeck go the way of Brietbart over the weekend? That may sound paranoid but when things move this fast, the wheels in a person's head can spin fast as well. People are in the streets of Boston right now clapping for the police; a job well and swiftly done. A job done with police, soldiers, tanks, helicopters...all the firepower necessary to take down a couple terrorists...ALL of it was in their hands. They didn't need the citizenry armed and helping out. This might be a great time to point out to the public that, "See, we can and will take care of you...you don't need your own firearms." Will those clapping people see the light and decide the Administration is right? No answers, but just a lot of questions keep coming up.
GB and Vicki, I agree with both of you. To close down a city of a million people to catch two murderers is ridiculous. Two hundred and thirty eight years ago today, the people of Massachusetts were not hiding in their houses by order of the local authorities. They were busy taking on the greatest army in the world at that time in the first battle of the American Revolution. Is this what America has come to? I don't blame the people, except maybe for not defying the authorities. The people showed their mettle during the bombing by coming to the aid of the injured, not knowing whether any more bombs were going to explode or not. But Americans, as a people, have become sheep who are too timid in the face of ridiculous law enforcement tactics and demands. If everyone was armed, there would be no need for tanks in the streets and a city wide shutdown. Instead, it looked like the Lobsterbacks were occupying Boston.
The media coverage of this event, both conservative and liberal in my opinion, has been embarrassing. Just a bunch of speculation and wishful thinking, before there was any chance for facts to be garnered. I wish the media would just shut up until they know what they are talking about. But they are more interested in advancing their agenda than getting the story right.
Now we get to look forward to the politicians spinning the story to fit their agenda. And, of course, the attempted cover-up of the jihad motive. There should be a moratorium on immigration from all muslim countries.
I'm awaiting, with bated breath, the massive demonstration by all of the moderate muslims I keep hearing about, against jihad.
Last edited on Sat Apr 20th, 2013 02:50 am by Aldebaran
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From what I understand it was not Boston that was shut down, it was Watertown, which has a population of 33,000. That's a little bigger than the town I live in. I think shutting it down was a good idea, in the interest of public safety, and making it easier to spot any movement on the terrorist's part. In the end it worked with no more harm to anyone, so I think they did a good job!
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legitlinda wrote: From what I understand it was not Boston that was shut down, it was Watertown, which has a population of 33,000. That's a little bigger than the town I live in. I think shutting it down was a good idea, in the interest of public safety, and making it easier to spot any movement on the terrorist's part. In the end it worked with no more harm to anyone, so I think they did a good job!
Hi Linda! All of Boston and the suburbs were under lockdown due to what had happened the night before when this guy's brother was killed. The lockdown and resulting curfew had been lifted only a few minutes b4 the stuff hit the fan in Watertown. You can check it out at Fox & all the other news feeds. I know it was confusing, and hard to be sure of what was going on during a lot of it. I don't think any of us think they did a bad job of it or anything like that...but are not sure if this approach is feasible for future attacks. We don't have drills on these kind of situations. I well remember fire drills, tornado drills, and the infamous "Duck & Cover". We all knew where our nearest fallout shelter was located. But what does the public know now? I live yards away from LP Stadium and I've not a single clue what I'm meant to do if someone bombed it and pandemonium ensued. Assuming I wasn't injured or killed, I'd probably try to help people. But how much more helpful the public could be with this sort of thing if we were ever given drills or instructions on it. Some cities have had drills for police & fire personnel, etc., but Nashville's huge, and I've not met one person who's ever heard of any drills or training for the public here.
vicki530 wrote: Hi Linda! All of Boston and the suburbs were under lockdown due to what had happened the night before when this guy's brother was killed. The lockdown and resulting curfew had been lifted only a few minutes b4 the stuff hit the fan in Watertown. You can check it out at Fox & all the other news feeds. I know it was confusing, and hard to be sure of what was going on during a lot of it. I don't think any of us think they did a bad job of it or anything like that...but are not sure if this approach is feasible for future attacks. We don't have drills on these kind of situations. I well remember fire drills, tornado drills, and the infamous "Duck & Cover". We all knew where our nearest fallout shelter was located. But what does the public know now? I live yards away from LP Stadium and I've not a single clue what I'm meant to do if someone bombed it and pandemonium ensued. Assuming I wasn't injured or killed, I'd probably try to help people. But how much more helpful the public could be with this sort of thing if we were ever given drills or instructions on it. Some cities have had drills for police & fire personnel, etc., but Nashville's huge, and I've not met one person who's ever heard of any drills or training for the public here.Hi Vicki, You're right about the lockdown covering more of Boston than I thought. I hadn't heard that that day. Everything was happening so quickly and I had to leave the house to watch my grandkids play Little League, and only checked my cell phone for updates on Fox News to see if they got the last guy.
As for knowing what to do in a disaster, I think it's going to be pretty much mayhem.
In this situation, with those two running all over the place I think it was good to have everyone stay home. Look what happened when the police were chasing them, they were throwing explosives out the windows at them. So many more people could have gotten hurt. This was one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't situations.
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I'll begin by saying that I suspect I won't win any popularity contests with this post... oddly enough neither with liberals, on the one hand, nor with conservatives, on the other hand. This post will probably raise some hackles, or rile some feathers.
And yet... I cannot help that.
I have two choices here in voicing my view or opinion: either (1) I state my opinion, knowing I subject myself to sharp criticism for it, possibly even alienating any friends I might have made on this site; or (2) I just keep my thoughts and suspicions and opinions to myself, and say nothing... so I can play it safe with everybody.
Well... option #2 just ain't my style.
Admittedly, I can get very passionate in stating an opinion. At times I come across very strongly. And yet, understand, that if your take is different from mine, I nevertheless mean no harm at all, don't wish to offend anyone unnecessarily. In fact, I mean to say what I believe in my heart is the right thing to say, and that will prove of service to all reading this.
But, yeah, I know I hereby subject myself to some trouble.
Nevertheless, come hell or high water, I'm going to follow my conscience and my heart on this matter (as on any number of other matters) and take the risks involved in speaking up.
Folks, I am a red, white, and blue-blooded American citizen. I love my country, I care about my fellow Americans... with an undying passion. I am an American patriot to the very marrow of my bones.
I call right now upon God and His angels that I speak to you the truth here. I say these things knowing I've no cause to fear being contradicted in my claim by my God. He knows I speak the truth.
I thank my God that in His providence, according to His mercy and grace (which I do not deserve from His bountiful hand) He determined that I, MarkusLeoninus, should be born, bred, and raised in the United States of America. I count myself a blessed man, that I am an American citizen. I thank my God that He has been so gracious to me, and in so many ways.
Moreover, I have the deepest love and respect for all truly honorable men and women in uniform... from the lowest-ranking law enforcement official in the little town I reside in, to the highest-ranking Special Forces officer on top of the most gut-wrenching, high-risk, life-threatening situations in the fields of the hottest battles on this earth. Indeed, when I think of how honorable US military personnel risk limb and life, perfectly willing to shed their tears, their blood, and their guts (literally) for my sake and for the sake of all my fellow Americans... it never fails to bring tears to my eyes.
Again, God is my witness that what I say is true. No one... absolutely no one, therefore... should think I am anything less than a patriot. There are any number of persons from sea to shining sea who love America just as much as I do. Most of you on this website are as patriotic as I am.
Like me, when you see your fellow Americans attacked by thugs, killers, terrorists, or whatever, you take it personally. You take it fully to heart. You weep for victims, you pray for them. And you crave justice for every wrong some scumbag(s) may have foisted upon your fellow Americans. That is to your credit, and I have been honored to read many of your posts and to say to myself while reading them, "There's my boy, there's my girl, a kindred spirit, speaking all my own mind". Yes, many of you love America. Just like me.
And while you may disagree with me about the matter at hand, I do hope you will perceive, fellow patriots, that we are fundamentally still birds of a feather.
Those things being said, I proceed.
*******
I realize that so many of my fellow Americans are literally rejoicing at this time over the alleged bombers in Boston being caught. Indeed, as everyone knows, one is dead already, and the other is in critical condition (as I type this) in a hospital.
Now... if... I repeat, if... these two are indeed guilty, then in my opinion the one who was killed got what he richly deserved; and the other should go on to face the death penalty in due course of time. But...I am personally not convinced in my own mind, ladies and gentlemen, that this thing is as neatly wrapped up, case closed, as so many seem to think right now.
I watch the reports in the mainstream media on my TV screen, and on my computer, and it's as if many Americans are raising a collective voice, saying in effect, "Well, let us take our ease, now. Let us take our rest. Let us eat, drink, and be merry. The government got our backs, baby."
But to my fellow Americans everywhere I advise: Slow down, America. Not so fast. Not. So. Fast.
Right now is the time to engage your minds in a bit more critical thinking and analysis. Back up from the juicy details of the picture painted for you in the mainstream media, and get a broader perspective on the actual bigger picture indeed.
Consider, for instance, the following excerpt from an article by Mike Adams that appeared yesterday on Alex Jones' Infowars site.
Adams observes:
I’m trying to get a grip on the full spectacle of the police state theater we have all just witnessed in Boston. Where to begin?
Do we begin with the “lockdown” order that forced 400,000+ Bostonites to stay off the streets and hide in their homes while nobody admits it’s actually martial law?
Do we begin with the militarized masses of armed-up police rolling down the streets of Boston in bomb-proof assault vehicles, all in the hunt for one teenager? Battlefield USA: De Facto State of Martial Law Declared in Boston *Pics from the War Zone*
Or do we even attempt to examine the spectacle of the mainstream media’s agenda-scripted coverage of all this and its failure to try to blame the bombing on so-called “right-wing extremists?”
In examining the events of the week, a rational person can’t help but conclude that only a small part of what’s being officially reported about the Boston marathon bombers has any basis in fact. And even after the announced arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the remaining survivor of the supposed terrorist bombing duo, we still have:
• No images or video of this person placing any bomb on the ground
• No acknowledgement of the existence of the “Craft” military spooks who all carried large backpacks at the marathon and were found moving away from one of the bombs just minutes before it went off
• No apology from the mainstream media for its week-long rampage against “right-wing extremists” who it vilified as the probable bombers
• No explanation for why it takes thousands of heavily-armed police, armored assault vehicles and federal agents to find and arrest one teenager
• No reply from the FBI on just how much the FBI controlled and manipulated these suspects over the last few years, as has been described by their mother.
• No legal justification for the “lockdown” martial law declaration that has been illegally forced upon the people of Boston
But don’t hold your breath on any of this. The last thing the public would ever get in any of this would be real answers.
How many of my fellow Americans right now have at some point researched and taken into consideration the fact that, as the old saying goes, "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely?"
Folks, some people cannot handle positions of authority and power. They have a propensity and a manifest tendency to abuse such position and power. It is a matter of history. And the common people always underestimate the facts in this regard more or less at their dire peril.
Such a history, in brief, is set forth in the following article, culled from much longer and even more meticulously detailed histories for all hardcore and serious researchers to see for themselves, if they've a mind to. Consider, then, if you will: A Brief History of False Flag Attacks: Or Why Government Loves State Sponsored Terror
Again...
I'm watching the news on TV, and I'm looking at the images and watching the videos on my computer, of this massive militarized sweep of the entire Boston area, and I'm thinking, Whoa! What is this? What is this?! Looks to me like the proponents of global, big-brother, anti-Constitutional, New World Order, police-state ideology in Washington right now are engaging in quite the practice session right now!
My friends, seems to me ya gotta stop and ask yourselves as law-abiding citizens of the US: What if I... even I... perfectly law-abiding citizen though I am, get targeted as a terror "suspect", and suddenly a group of big-brother agents large enough and armed enough to take down entire platoons of the world's most elite enemy forces swarms the entire county I live in, with me also being subjected to a hail of gunfire before I am even taken into custody for questioning and permitted a fair trial and hearing in a court of law to clear myself of the charge(s)?
What then?!
Do you think it cannot happen to you... especially under the current reign of Barak Hussein Obama?
If so, I warn you to think again.
I ask...
Are you a Christian?
Are you a returning veteran from the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan?
Do you believe strongly in the whole of the US Constitution, and stand boldly in its defense?
Do you speak loudly and proudly in defense of the 2nd Amendment whenever and wherever someone speaks against it in your presence? Do you defend this precious American heritage handed down by the founding fathers, which is currently in process of being eroded by out-of-control, anti-Constitutional government officials in Washington right now?
If you are any one or perhaps all of the above, then you really ought to be concerned, it seems to me, about what we are seeing in connection with this recent terrorist event in Boston. If you are any one or all of the above, you might just be targeted as a terror "suspect" or "threat" at any given time.
Who's next?
Me?
You?
Your friends or family members?
In light of the week's events, ask yourselves those questions.
*******
In closing, God bless and take care, dear fellow American, whoever you may be.
I leave you for now, and submit for your consideration in addition to all the above, the following:
At the very least, Vicki is right. Americans are being climatized and conditioned to this kind of mass over dramitization by the Media and mass over response by the Authorities. And as Markus stated and I agree, it is all to neat and tidy and as far as the story being given through the Media to the public. I am not among the Alex Jones crowd either. That guy is a kook but, I am very skeptical of the way this was handled and although I believe that the men and women of law enforcement are to be honored for the risk they take and work that they do, I think we should always keep and eye on their motives and tactics. I still think shutting down and entire Metropolis the size of Boston is extreme Overkill for the size and scope of this particular event. I believe we are going to see more extreme responses to less threatening situations in the future and it will not only be tolerated but, expected by the Mass Populace of our Country. All the while, the Sheep will continue to give up more freedoms for more supposed security.
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MarkusLeoninus wrote: I have two choices here in voicing my view or opinion: either (1) I state my opinion, knowing I subject myself to sharp criticism for it, possibly even alienating any friends I might have made on this site; or (2) I just keep my thoughts and suspicions and opinions to myself, and say nothing... so I can play it safe with everybody.
Well... option #2 just ain't my style. Nor mine.
Admittedly, I can get very passionate in stating an opinion. At times I come across very strongly. Yeah, me too, but I do value other people's opinions and I have a strong mistrust of the people running the US right now. Mistrust of government is healthy and the very soul of freedom, and a lot of questions need to be asked.
But, in spite of my mistrust of government and Obama's connection to terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, I would be surprised if this is anything other than what it appears to be, Islamic terrorism. Regardless, I wish the media would just do their jobs and ascertain and report facts, and if they don't have any facts, I wish they would shut up until they do.
The following picture scares me more than terrorism does. If this becomes the norm and Americans passively accept this, then America is truly finished IMHO.
Last edited on Sun Apr 21st, 2013 12:43 pm by Aldebaran
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Aldebaran wrote: MarkusLeoninus wrote: I have two choices here in voicing my view or opinion: either (1) I state my opinion, knowing I subject myself to sharp criticism for it, possibly even alienating any friends I might have made on this site; or (2) I just keep my thoughts and suspicions and opinions to myself, and say nothing... so I can play it safe with everybody.
Well... option #2 just ain't my style. Nor mine.
Admittedly, I can get very passionate in stating an opinion. At times I come across very strongly. Yeah, me too, but I do value other people's opinions and I have a strong mistrust of the people running the US right now. Mistrust of government is healthy and the very soul of freedom, and a lot of questions need to be asked.
But, in spite of my mistrust of government and Obama's connection to terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, I would be surprised if this is anything other than what it appears to be, Islamic terrorism. Regardless, I wish the media would just do their jobs and ascertain and report facts, and if they don't have any facts, I wish they would shut up until they do.
The following picture scares me more than terrorism does. If this becomes the norm and Americans passively accept this, then America is truly finished IMHO.
I want to write about a number of the responses here but errands demand my time. For now, I want to reference the photo Aldebaran posted above. "A picture is worth a thousand words." This is one of many that people took from inside their homes as they hunkered down for an indeterminate [at the time] number of days. For many, they freely admitted the sight was a bit creepy and surreal, but they, nevertheless, were glad of it. It made them feel safe, secure, as though everything was under control. Normalcy would soon return, courtesy of the US govt and various other law enforcement groups tasked with resolving this threat.
Ever have an encounter with the police in your own home? I well recall legitlinda's epic run-in which she told us about...when they raided her house, and "Whoops, wrong house, lady." No apologies forthcoming either, if I remember right??? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Well, they've come to my place twice now. Seven of them all at once, wearing the hats, bulletproof vests, and donning guns and batons. They've gotten a call that there's been a lot of noise at my place . I look around at my teddybears and wonder what in tarnation they've been up to this time. Look, guys, I know I ate beans for dinner but I didn't think their gaseous escape from my body was coming off that loud. If this is about the toxic cloud hanging over my home, shouldn't the EPA be at my door, rather than a SWAT team wannabe bunch of very young cops? I promise next time I'll take Beano first. I mean, I thought it was a gag, some 21 Jump Street impersonator group.
But this was for real, and it happened twice. If I hadn't thought it was a gag, I'd have been terribly frightened. They asked to come in and look around, and I let them. Yeah, I know, no warrant, but I allowed it. I wanted them to understand that I know BS when I see it. I was home alone using my computer...sitting in an ugly old flannel bathrobe. A couple of PG vids were on the table. The teddybears were on the bed. Real sinister stuff...the real makings of a druglord or international terrorist . Now, that was sheer overkill for a phoney excuse like a noise complaint, and it was meant as a show of force and to frighten me into compliance. I can't imagine what it would have been like to see all that firepower...tanks, helicopters, etc. At least my little coppers were a bunch of cute kids. Eye candy for an old lady...LOL. But no so, in Boston. It had to be scary. It should have been scary...that that many battle-ready troops were everywhere, and it made most of the locals happy....that is a bit scary.
Ever have an encounter with the police in your own home? I well recall legitlinda's epic run-in which she told us about...when they raided her house, and "Whoops, wrong house, lady." No apologies forthcoming either, if I remember right??? Yeah, I didn't think so. True story, scared the living daylights out of me! I didn't know they were the POLICE, just knew one of them had a big gun to my head through the window. I was looking out the window and he turned and put that gun about an inch from my head! And like an idiot (calling myself an idiot, not Vicki ), when I found out they were the police I let them into my house! I will never do that again!
Well, they've come to my place twice now. Seven of them all at once, wearing the hats, bulletproof vests, and donning guns and batons. They've gotten a call that there's been a lot of noise at my place . I look around at my teddybears and wonder what in tarnation they've been up to this time. Look, guys, I know I ate beans for dinner but I didn't think their gaseous escape from my body was coming off that loud. If this is about the toxic cloud hanging over my home, shouldn't the EPA be at my door, rather than a SWAT team wannabe bunch of very young cops? I promise next time I'll take Beano first. I mean, I thought it was a gag, some 21 Jump Street impersonator group.
But this was for real, and it happened twice. If I hadn't thought it was a gag, I'd have been terribly frightened. They asked to come in and look around, and I let them. Yeah, I know, no warrant, but I allowed it. I wanted them to understand that I know BS when I see it. I was home alone using my computer...sitting in an ugly old flannel bathrobe. A couple of PG vids were on the table. The teddybears were on the bed. Real sinister stuff...the real makings of a druglord or international terrorist . Now, that was sheer overkill for a phoney excuse like a noise complaint, and it was meant as a show of force and to frighten me into compliance. I can't imagine what it would have been like to see all that firepower...tanks, helicopters, etc. At least my little coppers were a bunch of cute kids. Eye candy for an old lady...LOL. But no so, in Boston. It had to be scary. It should have been scary...that that many battle-ready troops were everywhere, and it made most of the locals happy....that is a bit scary. Vicki, I'm sorry that happened to you, and over a noise complaint? THAT is OVERKILL! I'm glad you're okay, because in that situation one wrong move and it could be all over. :/ Maybe you should file a complaint like I did, only I didn't realize it was Internal Affairs and the one in charge was one of the cops that were at my house. :/ I looked at him and said, "You mean you investigate yourselves?"
To all:
I still don't think this was overkill. Maybe they didn't need to shut down such a big area, but I'm glad they came out with guns blazing at these terrorist B@#$%^$. They blew our innocent people up. They deserved what they got.
MarkusL: You wrote, "if they are guilty", well they did murder the MIT officer, did have a shoot out with the police, did throw pressure cooker bombs out the windows at the police, and the older one did have explosives strapped to his body when they got him. Pretty ironic though that it was his brother who killed him by running over him while trying to get away. Anyway, I have no doubts about their guilt. Don't think me naive either, I put nothing past Obama.
Last edited on Sun Apr 21st, 2013 08:31 pm by legitlinda
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There was no noise complaint; that was bogus. I think they may have been spending those nights trying to round up people with open warrants. Maybe some bad guys lived here b4 us. But why the same group came back a second time weeks later is beyond me. It was weird.
vicki530 wrote: There was no noise complaint; that was bogus. I think they may have been spending those nights trying to round up people with open warrants. Maybe some bad guys lived here b4 us. But why the same group came back a second time weeks later is beyond me. It was weird.
Vickie, you're gonna have to do something about those alleycats you own! Come-on now, you know the neighborhood tom-cat population has skyrocketed since you got them! And the noise they make, you'd think WW III had commenced!
Last edited on Mon Apr 22nd, 2013 12:30 am by KeepTheChange
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vicki530 wrote: Aldebaran wrote: MarkusLeoninus wrote: I have two choices here in voicing my view or opinion: either (1) I state my opinion, knowing I subject myself to sharp criticism for it, possibly even alienating any friends I might have made on this site; or (2) I just keep my thoughts and suspicions and opinions to myself, and say nothing... so I can play it safe with everybody.
Well... option #2 just ain't my style. Nor mine.
Admittedly, I can get very passionate in stating an opinion. At times I come across very strongly. Yeah, me too, but I do value other people's opinions and I have a strong mistrust of the people running the US right now. Mistrust of government is healthy and the very soul of freedom, and a lot of questions need to be asked.
But, in spite of my mistrust of government and Obama's connection to terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, I would be surprised if this is anything other than what it appears to be, Islamic terrorism. Regardless, I wish the media would just do their jobs and ascertain and report facts, and if they don't have any facts, I wish they would shut up until they do.
The following picture scares me more than terrorism does. If this becomes the norm and Americans passively accept this, then America is truly finished IMHO.
I want to write about a number of the responses here but errands demand my time. For now, I want to reference the photo Aldebaran posted above. "A picture is worth a thousand words." This is one of many that people took from inside their homes as they hunkered down for an indeterminate [at the time] number of days. For many, they freely admitted the sight was a bit creepy and surreal, but they, nevertheless, were glad of it. It made them feel safe, secure, as though everything was under control. Normalcy would soon return, courtesy of the US govt and various other law enforcement groups tasked with resolving this threat.
Ever have an encounter with the police in your own home? I well recall legitlinda's epic run-in which she told us about...when they raided her house, and "Whoops, wrong house, lady." No apologies forthcoming either, if I remember right??? Yeah, I didn't think so.
Well, they've come to my place twice now. Seven of them all at once, wearing the hats, bulletproof vests, and donning guns and batons. They've gotten a call that there's been a lot of noise at my place . I look around at my teddybears and wonder what in tarnation they've been up to this time. Look, guys, I know I ate beans for dinner but I didn't think their gaseous escape from my body was coming off that loud. If this is about the toxic cloud hanging over my home, shouldn't the EPA be at my door, rather than a SWAT team wannabe bunch of very young cops? I promise next time I'll take Beano first. I mean, I thought it was a gag, some 21 Jump Street impersonator group.
But this was for real, and it happened twice. If I hadn't thought it was a gag, I'd have been terribly frightened. They asked to come in and look around, and I let them. Yeah, I know, no warrant, but I allowed it. I wanted them to understand that I know BS when I see it. I was home alone using my computer...sitting in an ugly old flannel bathrobe. A couple of PG vids were on the table. The teddybears were on the bed. Real sinister stuff...the real makings of a druglord or international terrorist . Now, that was sheer overkill for a phoney excuse like a noise complaint, and it was meant as a show of force and to frighten me into compliance. I can't imagine what it would have been like to see all that firepower...tanks, helicopters, etc. At least my little coppers were a bunch of cute kids. Eye candy for an old lady...LOL. But no so, in Boston. It had to be scary. It should have been scary...that that many battle-ready troops were everywhere, and it made most of the locals happy....that is a bit scary.
I too am becoming more concerned with the power weilded by the authorities than threats of terrorism.
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While I agree with the first link, that many questions need to be asked, I don't see how anyone can say that terrorism is "synthetic and manufactured".
Since, 9-11 there have been over 20,000 Islamic terror attacks worldwide that resulted in death. That is 5 per day, every day since 9-11. There is nothing synthetic or manufactured about it. Islam is barbaric and has been since its inception 1400 years ago.
And as LL said, those two guys are guilty, caught red-handed. There is no "if" about it.
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KeepTheChange wrote: vicki530 wrote: There was no noise complaint; that was bogus. I think they may have been spending those nights trying to round up people with open warrants. Maybe some bad guys lived here b4 us. But why the same group came back a second time weeks later is beyond me. It was weird.
Vickie, you're gonna have to do something about those alleycats you own! Come-on now, you know the neighborhood tom-cat population has skyrocketed since you got them! And the noise they make, you'd think WW III had commenced!It was the bears, and the rabbits who think they're bears that caused the commotion. Cats are far too dignified to carry on so, and definitely too cunning and clever to get caught if they do. Just ask Bellard. He knows cats too. Oh, and Bellard, my new kittens avatar is still way cuter than yours. LOL.
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I'm not going to have time to read this until way late tonight, but I did watch a clip and read the report of Glenn Beck's on The Blaze.
I think Beck's is an interesting story to pursue. It smacks of "something is rotten in the state of Denmark" syndrome. Is this another family connection like 9/11, and George W allowing Bin Ladin's family to leave the US, was the man in question once a CIA asset, or is it simply mistaken identity? There's a copy on The Blaze of a letter senator(s) sent to the DHS to find out the story on this Saudi national. I just know it will be a logical and truthful explanation.
vicki530 wrote: Cats are far too dignified to carry on so, and definitely too cunning and clever to get caught if they do.Maybe if they've been "fixed." We had a cat once who went through heat, and she'd stand in the window in the middle of the night and practically howl! BY FAR the loudest noise I've ever heard out of a cat. The first time she did it, she woke up us, and had us asking each other "what the $%^&%$ is THAT?" I've heard other cats since then make the same noise, so I know it wasn't just her.
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While I agree with the first link, that many questions need to be asked, I don't see how anyone can say that terrorism is "synthetic and manufactured".
Since, 9-11 there have been over 20,000 Islamic terror attacks worldwide that resulted in death. That is 5 per day, every day since 9-11. There is nothing synthetic or manufactured about it. Islam is barbaric and has been since its inception 1400 years ago.
And as LL said, those two guys are guilty, caught red-handed. There is no "if" about it.
Another fairly long post here. I can only ask that the reader(s) will be patient, and read this reply very, very carefully... while I try to clarify things to the best of my ability in connection with my statements relative to the matter at hand.
Aldebaran, my friend...
I address you as "my friend" here in all sincerity. I am not using the phrase facetiously. No matter how much you and I, or me and LegitLinda, or me and anyone else on this site may disagree on this or that finer point of detail, I see all you guys and gals as friends, as people with whom I have the privilege of interacting on this board. We may occasionally strongly disagree. But you are all fellow Americans and I respect you, as such.
So... I hope you don't resent my calling you "friend".
Quoting myself here from post #76: I suspect I won't win any popularity contests with this post... oddly enough neither with liberals, on the one hand, nor with conservatives, on the other hand. This post will probably raise some hackles, or rile some feathers.
I said that specifically, Aldebaran, because I know that in stating what I believe (or strongly suspect) is actually going on not only with regard to the recent bombing in Boston but with regard to a number of other terrorist attacks as well, I thus risk angering or upsetting others who differ with my view. Folk who tend to buy into what I'll call the "official" story lines, narratives, or accounts of said attacks by (1) government officials, and (2) the mainstream media, will more or less be unhappy with my statements; i.e., with my perception(s), or with my suspicions about those attacks... in terms of just exactly who all is likely to be behind them.
As I also said earlier, my motivation is not at all to offend anyone unnecessarily in expressing my view.
All I want to do is seek and find the truth. And then, by the grace of God, deal with it, for God's honor and glory, as well as for my own and others' good.
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Now, with regard to the title of Alex Jones' discussion, "The World of Synthetic, Manufactured Terrorism" :
You say, my friend, that "I don't see how anyone can say that terrorism is synthetic and manufactured".
I would first point out that Jones is not saying that the bombing in Boston, and any number of other such attacks, is not real terrorism.
Not at all.
The phrase "synthetic, manufactured terrorism" is directed not at the Boston attack itself. The bombing itself is most definitely an act of terrorism, and Jones is not denying this.
Instead, Jones is saying (as his discussion clearly lays out) that there are plenty of cases, on the historical record, in which elements (or individuals) within various governments have (1) masterminded, planned or conceived terrorist attacks, (2) made sure the attacks took place as planned, and then (3) blamed those attacks on other entities, i.e., blamed the attacks on another person, or on another group of persons, for some sort of political gain. The persons blamed may or may not have been actually involved in the attacks. But either way, the planners of the attack set things up so as to divert attention away from themselves, or to cover their tracks, and thus as far as they successfully manage to do this, they do not take the fall or the rap for the attacks.
In such cases the attacks were manufactured by elements, or individuals, within the government, who either carried out the attack themselves, or used others as tools for that purpose. The people who are themselves victims of the attacks are then given the "official" story, or account, by governement spokespersons, which in turn is disseminated by the mainstream media. In other words, the attacks (which certainly are terroristic) were produced or manufactured by corrupt politicians and/or certain certain persons involved in government agencies (intelligence personnel in the FBI, CIA, etc.). But the official story is bogus. The official story is not real. The official story is an intricately crafted deception. The official story is a lie.
In a word, the official story in all such cases is... synthetic.
When Jones uses the phrase "synthetic, manufactured terrorism", he is, in this instance, using a variation of another phrase that he and numerous others use, alternately, in the course of discussion or analysis.
The other phrase is "false flag operation".
Wikipedia defines "false flag" as follows: False flag (or black flag) describes covert military or paramilitary operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities, groups or nations than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried during peace-time by civilian organisations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organisation behind an operation.
( from the article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag )
Essentially, therefore, when Jones uses the phrase "synthetic, manufactured terrorism" in connection with the bombing at the Boston Marathon, he means to say that this terrorist act suspiciously bears the marks of a "false flag operation" on the part of elements within the government... who are owned and controlled, incidentally, by globalist ideologues who aren't even elected officials. Such persons are filthy rich, are financiers of terrorist groups and ops around the world, control what we may call the "military/industrial complex", and are striving to set up what they themselves have often referred to for decades as "A New World Order".
An order that ultimately means the end of the sovereignty and constitutional freedoms and rights of American citizens.
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You wrote: "Since, 9-11 there have been over 20,000 Islamic terror attacks worldwide that resulted in death. That is 5 per day, every day since 9-11. There is nothing synthetic or manufactured about it. Islam is barbaric and has been since its inception 1400 years ago."
To this I begin by saying, Tell me about it, my friend!
Trust me, Aldebaran. I know the facts about Islam. I have studied it for more than a decade.
Indeed, on this very site, I posted not less than 6 times in the "More promised beno Violence from the religion of PEACE?" thread, rather extensively, interacting with several of you on the indisputable fact that Islam is bad news... to say the very least.
I am very much aware of the fact that Islam is anything in this world but "a religion of peace and tolerance"... as claimed by apologists for Islam. Such apologists, in fact, include not only many professing "moderate" Muslims themselves, but even many non-Islamic talking heads in the governement, in academia, and in the mainstream media.
Only one of two things can be fairly said about such apologists for Islam. They are either lying through their teeth, or they are utterly ignorant about what the Koran and the Hadith clearly teach. Muhammad himself was the first Islamic terrorist. He wrote the book on Islamic terrorism. He set the precedent for all his followers down through the centuries. Those who follow Islam to the letter look at their "moderate" or "peaceful" brethren as phony Muslims or useful idiots. So-called "moderates" are also oftentimes posers. Their job is to deceive gullible, uninformed Westerners in order to infiltrate their societies with an alleged "peaceful and tolerant religion". They present a meticulously sanitized version of Islam. But the real thing is actually terroristic to the core. The posers manipulate the democratic political/legal systems of such societies, and thus gain a political and legal foothold within them. Once infiltration reaches a certain point, the masks come off, and the true nature of Koranic/Hadithic/Sharia-Law based Islam reveals itself.
I am very much aware, then, of the fact that the claim "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, sadly hijacked by a handful of fringe fanatics and/or extremists" is one of the biggest lies ever foisted upon a gullible, uninformed populace in Western societies that are based upon dangerously naive, tolerant, multicultural and pluralistic maxims or ideals.
The actual truth is that official Islam, based upon the clear teachings of this "religion", as set forth in the Koran (or Qur'an) and in a secondary but significant source known as the Hadith, is essentially a demonic, barbaric, inherently terroristic, iron-fisted, totalitarian ideology that masquerades as a "religion". The "peace" of which Islam speaks is peace extended only to those who will bow the knee to "Allah", and who will follow the teachings of Islam's so-called "prophet", Muhammad. In Islam, those who do not subscribe and submit to Koranic doctrine and practice are considered infidels and enemies to the Islamic faithful.
Anyone who is willing to do the research, and to set aside pre-conceived notions and ideas based on politically correct notions about Islam, can discover the truth about this evil ideological scourge which is falsely dubbed and sold to civilized Westerners as a "peaceful and tolerant religion". The following websites (there are numerous others) contain the truth about Islam in many articles written by former Muslims, as well as by professional scholars, theologians, historians, and just ordinary, but hardcore researchers amongst the common people.
So, Aldebaran... it is safe to say that you and I are pretty much on the same page about Islam.
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Finally, you wrote: "And as LL said, those two guys are guilty, caught red-handed. There is no "if" about it."
My friend, I personally very much suspect that the two Tsarnaev brothers, especially the oldest one, were directly involved in the Boston Marathon terrorist attack.
However... not for a minute do I believe they acted alone. I personally believe that they are but two of any number of other players in what is actually a false-flag operation, involving elements within our own government as planners.
Now, that said...
We actually have no photos, and no video, of anyone placing the bombs, concealed in backpacks, on the ground. Needless to say somebody placed those bombs. yet we actually do not know who, exactly, did so.
Quite a number of photos, and some video footage, have appeared on television and on the internet, from both mainstream and alternative media sources, of various individuals strolling suspiciously around the area where the bombs went off. In fact, in addition to the photos of the two Tsarnaev brothers with black backpacks, we have photos of other persons in the crowd wearing black backpacks, to include military personnel wearing black jackets, and khaki-colored pants and combat boots.
But, again, we have absolutely no photo or video footage of a single one of these backpacking persons actually removing the backpacks that contained the bombs and then placing them on the ground where they went off.
Therefore, in that sense, no one has been "caught red-handed".
Was the Boston Bombing a terrorist act?
You bet it was.
Were the Tsarnaev brothers involved directly in the attack?
I think so.
Did Islamic ideology have something to do with the Tsarnaev brothers in terms of their personal motivation?
Again, I think so.
But did they act alone?
I definitely think not.
Could it be they were part (tools, if you will) of a larger, politically-motivated, agenda-driven, false-flag op, actually planned and orchestrated by elements within the government or government agencies?
I cannot prove this at this point in time, but I do highly suspect this to be the case. My personal investigation and analysis of the information made available to me in the mainstream and alternative media is of course ongoing. So is everybody else's personal investigation and analysis, regardless of what their view is at this point.
But like Alex Jones and a host of others, I see a number of the marks of a false-flag op all over this incident.
Thanks for bearing with me, and for reading my ongoing take of the matters at hand.
Talk to y'all later.
God bless.
Marcus, I have no problem with you calling me your friend. I consider all the people on this board my friends, at least as much as it is possible to have friends that you've never actually met in person.
Also, I have many friends with whom I disagree, sometimes heatedly, on political issues. Agreeing with me is not a prerequisite for being my friend.
The only people I really don't like are the ones who deliberately lie to achieve their goals. Politicians who are willing to let young Chicago children die because they are unwilling to enforce gun laws, so that they can use those deaths to call for more gun laws in their attempt to destroy the 2nd amendment are people I despise. People in the media who refuse to report on the gruesome infant murders committed by Gosnell, so that pro-choice people don't see how alive these fetuses really are and reconsider their position. Those are the kinds of people I dislike. I think it is a pretty shallow person who dislikes someone just because they disagree on some issue.
I don't for a minute think that those two acted alone. No way. I believe there are jihadist cells all over this country. I also believe the US government is directly responsible for their being here because they, criminally IMHO, refuse to face the realities of Islam and do what it takes to defeat it. (I'm talking mostly about Congress here.) As for Obama, I think he is a muslim at heart who sympathizes with the terrorists. I judge him by his actions. He supported the Muslim Brotherhood "Arab Spring" in Libya, Egypt and Syria. The only muslims he doesn't support are the ones currently protesting the Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Egypt and the ones who protested in Iran a few years ago against the Iranian regime. There is nothing that Obama could do that would surprise me.
I think there are many, many questions that need to be asked about these two brothers and who is behind them, the FBI's previous knowledge of the older brother's jihadist background, and the Saudi Arabian national who was supposed to be deported to name a few.
I guess my only real issue is with reporting stuff that isn't known to be factual. I've got no problem with healthy speculation, especially when there is so much that smells about this event, but I would rather see reporters dig into it and not report on it until they have facts. It just really bothers me when the story changes 3 or 4 times, or when people jump to pin it on political rivals before they even know who was responsible. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be a healthy dose of suspicion, but it seems to me like a lot of people are more interested in seeing their agenda enhanced than in getting at the truth.
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2 things to keep in mind on this issue of (over) reaction to the bombing.
1. I don't think that the shutting down of the city was a good idea, from a personal liberty standpoint. This action, and the fact they got away with it, is scary as all get out. It set a precedent of what they will do the next time something like this happens. AND it will happen again.
Question, when there is a bomb attack in Israel, do they shut the whole city down?
2. There has already been calls about control of "violent video games"... Now the surviving bomber says they got the instructions for building the bomb from the internet. Anyone else see what they are going to be screaming to control next???
When this first happened there was a news story, that I cannot find now, that told about the police going door to door searching houses for these guys. Where were the search warrants? Where was the probable cause? Where are the personal liberties of the people whose homes they invaded? What would they have done if someone had refused to let them in without a warrant, arrest them for obstruction? Or kill them too.
Folks, this whole exercise, whether set up by a government agency, or not, has been used to push for more control over our personal liberty. And people are accepting it as a good thing.
Scary....
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Very well said, Herb. I think that what concerns several of us more than anything else right now in terms of the fallout or aftermath of the Boston Marathon Bombing, is how the current administration ends up manipulating the incident to further erode the liberties, freedoms, rights of law-abiding citizens.
The excessive show of force and arms in the wake of the bombing was a precursor of things to come, a big-brother police-state practice session on the part of out-of-control, anti-Constitutional gov't officials/agencies if ever I saw one.
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Incidentally, for all CBD message board readers' consideration, I present...
When reading this short article, be sure to click the hotlinks in it for eye-opening connection of dots.
Then follow up with the "related articles" that appear at the end of it.
The government's fidelity to the Constitution is never more tested than in a time of crisis. The urge to do something -- or to appear to be doing something -- is nearly irresistible to those whom we have employed to protect our freedom and to keep us safe. Regrettably, with each passing violent crisis -- Waco, Oklahoma City, Columbine, 9/11, Newtown and now the Boston Marathon -- our personal freedoms continue to slip away, and the government itself remains the chief engine of that slippage.
The American people made a pact with the devil in the weeks and months following 9/11 when they bought the Bush-era argument that by surrendering liberty they could buy safety. But that type of pact has never enhanced either liberty or safety, and its fruits are always bitter.
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for now,
Just hoping our people there aren't in for trouble. 
Hi Linda! All of Boston and the suburbs were under lockdown due to what had happened the night before when this guy's brother was killed. The lockdown and resulting curfew had been lifted only a few minutes b4 the stuff hit the fan in Watertown. You can check it out at Fox & all the other news feeds. I know it was confusing, and hard to be sure of what was going on during a lot of it. I don't think any of us think they did a bad job of it or anything like that...but are not sure if this approach is feasible for future attacks. We don't have drills on these kind of situations. I well remember fire drills, tornado drills, and the infamous "Duck & Cover". We all knew where our nearest fallout shelter was located. But what does the public know now? I live yards away from LP Stadium and I've not a single clue what I'm meant to do if someone bombed it and pandemonium ensued. Assuming I wasn't injured or killed, I'd probably try to help people. But how much more helpful the public could be with this sort of thing if we were ever given drills or instructions on it. Some cities have had drills for police & fire personnel, etc., but Nashville's huge, and I've not met one person who's ever heard of any drills or training for the public here.
. I look around at my teddybears and wonder what in tarnation they've been up to this time. Look, guys, I know I ate beans for dinner but I didn't think their gaseous escape from my body was coming off that loud. If this is about the toxic cloud hanging over my home, shouldn't the EPA be at my door, rather than a SWAT team wannabe bunch of very young cops? I promise next time I'll take Beano first. I mean, I thought it was a gag, some 21 Jump Street impersonator group.
It was the bears, and the rabbits who think they're bears that caused the commotion. Cats are far too dignified to carry on so, and definitely too cunning and clever to get caught if they do.
