We've all seen relatives die. It's tough to watch. Through all their stages of death and even afterwards, our love for them remains strong. With the exceptions of a few miracles, once a person is diagnosed with a terminal disease or illness the time before death is often predictable.
Biblical prophecy is unfolding before our very eyes. I won't go into all the details since this website is loaded with them in other places but it's clear that America has received her diagnosis. We can read the Bible to see that the one world government is coming. The diagnosis and symptoms are clear. America's days are numbered. What should we do about it? I agree that we should fight it. Sitting around and doing nothing just isn't in the nature of strong people like Charlie Daniels and the folks who admire him would do. That's admirable. Personally, I write letters to the editor and send quotes to TV shows to fight this trend of America sliding downhill. I've been in USA Today several times and I've had several quotes on CNN and CNBC, along with hundreds of letters in small newspapers the last 35 years, promoting Christianity and America.
I encourage everybody to fight for America as well but I warn you that we're going to lose. It's just a matter of when. To think we're going to win and America will once again shine as the leader of Christianity is to ignore Biblical Prophecy. This leaves me split down the middle. I want America to shine but I also CAN'T pray that Biblical Prophecy DOESN'T come to pass. Lately I've been trying to adjust. I've been focusing more on my personal realtionship with God and warning others about the fututre while spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ INSTEAD OF hoping America will return to the days of being a God fearing nation. Of course we still are the most God fearing country on earth but that's relative to other countries that are leaving their Christian ways. Compared to America from 50 or 100 years ago, we're speeding toward Sodom and Gommorah at a lightning pace.
So, what am I suggesting you do? Continue to love America as much as you have but make adjustments. Prepare for nothing but bad news to come from our secular leaders. They're going to lead us to a one world government one day. Prepare to mourn for your dying relative. America's days are numbered. We have to accept that and prepare ourselves for the inevitable.
I have long feared the death of our country but I will not sit back while my country commits suicide I ill continue to fight it to the end I will not backdown and I will not give up.
i don't think its a losing battle If americans would repent of our wickedness we may be able to save our country. Look at Ninevah in the book of Jonah they were 40 days away from destruction yet when they repented at the preaching of Jonah God spared them. They eventually went back to thier old ways and God destroyed Ninevah anyway. My point is if we get some preachers who went back to the old style of preaching, men like RA torrey DL moody and Chrles Spurgeon who brought revivals through the powerof God in thier preaching we may have a chance to save our country even if only for a short time.
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don't mess with america the time has come to beat the liberals at their own game. politically incorrect and proud of it. Baptist by birth devil hater till I die.
When you say that despite our efforts in fighting for America "we're going to lose", I have to ask what you have in mind about winning. What constitutes winning in your view? Was there ever a time that we, as Christians, were winning in accordance with your view?
Certainly, God Himself has never, and will never, lose a battle. By logical extension, therefore, no true, Bible-believing Christians, filled with God's Spirit and walking with God in accordance with Biblical directives, can be said to have lost the war in which they are called and engaged.
As long as there are Christians in any locale from one end of this globe to another, there is always hope for the larger populace in the midst of which they dwell. The believers do often endure various kinds of persecution, yet they never lose (see Rom.8:28-39, for instance). No matter what comes the believer's way, he loves God, and all things work for his good in the providence of almighty God.
The only losers are Satan and fallen angels and the dupes of Satan amongst men, and those who follow the dictates of their fallen, sinful, anti-God, anti-Christ, and anti-Biblical human nature. Unless God in grace saves some from among them, they've not a snowball's chance in hades of triumphing over any plan or purpose of almighty God. They shall utterly perish, and God won't even break a sweat cleansing His world of them all.
They alone are the losers, and God actually mocks them in their puny efforts to thwart Him and His etrnal purposes in Christ (see Psalm, ch. 2, entire). Even with His laughter He squashes rebels. How terrible, then, must His frowns be, and His full blown fury and wrath, when unleashed, to crush them utterly?!
Now, should all Christians be removed from a given locale, then the wrath of God, as biblical history shows, does fall upon the heathen, as in the case of the cities of the plain, and the whole world in Noah's day. But the believers were taken out and even the precious animals were preserved in Noah's flood, that they might again be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth with their kind.
But, again, as long as there is a godly remnant in town, the elect, God will hold back His wrath, and His people's prayers for revival will be answered from time to time, so long as God has a purpose to that end.
There are secret things that belong unto the Lord our God, but the Bible is His revealed will. As long as we are in this country, we are to occupy our spheres of influence with the Gospel and the things of God, being careful by God's sanctifying grace to be able and worthy representatives of our Lord Christ, by the power of the Holy Ghost, until the Lord Christ does return and destroys this world with fire and creates the new heavens and the new earth; or until we individually leave this world, whichever comes first.
See the whole of 2 Peter, ch. 3.
When you speak of America being a "God-fearing nation", how do you define that, exactly? Are you thinking in terms of numbers? If there are 10 Christians in a place, but 90 anti-Christians, have believers lost the day? If there are 90 Christians and 10 non-believers in a given locale, have we won the day, and is that area a "God-fearing" one? Well, not entirely. Though prospects are good.
Truth is, no nation can be called altogether "God-fearing" as long as there are non-Christians in it.
Likewise, no nation is totally without hope as long as God has a remnant of believers there praying for revival.
In what sense do you feel it could be said we are winning, or that we've won?
In what sense have we lost, or that we are losing?
Do you mean that we are winning only if the whole of the power structure in Washington is one massive, unified body of flaming witnesses for the cause of God and truth, or that our leaders by and large are Christians, or defenders of those who are? Do you mean that only if the majority of people are Christians or become Christians amongst the citizenry, or are at least respectful of Christianity in America, that then we have "won"?
Fact is, there never was a time in US history when every single political figure was a true-blue Bible-believing Christian, and the door has always been open for the inclusion of decidedly non-Christian individuals to occupy seats of power in Washington.
Thomas Jefferson, who was involved in the framing of the US Constitution, was a deist, not an evangelical Protestant representing the Reformed school of theology started under Luther, Calvin and other stalwarts of pure Biblical Christianity. Indeed, he hated that school of interpreters particularly, despite that history vindicates those men like no other school of Biblical theologians, scholars, pastors and teachers since the time of the apostles themselves.
In fact, Jefferson went through Scripture and cherry-picked the moral teachings of Christ as he discerned them, but rejected the miraculous circumstances of our Lord's Person and Work.
He actually believed the apostles were imposters and imposed false claims upon readers in their writings. In his opinion, John's book of Revelation was the product of a madman.
He even went as far as to craft his own version of the Bible, which was in direct violation of the warnings of Scripture not to thus tamper with the Word of God. The apostle John wrote:
Revelation 22:18-19
English Standard Version (ESV)
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Similarly, we read elsewhere in Holy Writ:
Deuteronomy 4:2
English Standard Version (ESV)
2 You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God that I command you.
Deuteronomy 12:32
English Standard Version (ESV)
32 "Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
Proverbs 30:6
English Standard Version (ESV)
6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
But Jefferson did pay deference to what was by and large a pretty solid group of politicians who were either true Christians themselves, or did highly respect Biblical Christianity.
Jefferson was the first major radical in US government. This is one reason why liberals latch onto him to this day. However, Jefferson was not at all the sole or even the chief architect or framer of the US Constitution, for many others were involved in conceiving it, and Jefferson also did not mean by "separation of church and state" what liberals are fond of claiming. The proof of that can be seen and understood from the folllowing article: http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=123
Was the presence of Jefferson and other deists and rationalists and deceived moralists unaware of the filth and rot of their souls apart from regeneration or the new birth of the Spirit in Christ in Washington an indication that Christian's were the losers?
History reveals otherwise.
As long as God has a plan for America and there are even a small handful of believers here, the nation is not entirely gone.
If every politician in the land becomes an Islam-coddling, anti-Christian zealot does that mean we have lost the day?
I think not.
Rather, they, the enemies of God, His Christ, His cause, and His people, have lost, even before they were actively and deliberately minded to take up arms against almighty God and His purposes at any and all times since this country's founding.
The USA has flourished because of the believing remnant within her midst, and because God has determined thus far to not unleash His wrath to the full here yet. America will be completely doomed only if all believers are gone from her midst.
But, be it said, that...
In one sense, also, all nations are dying. It is bound to happen to them all eventually. For in due time there will be the new heavens and the new earth wherein dwelleth nothing but pure righteousness.
But until that day comes, Christians are to shake off all complacency, all spirit of defeat, all negativity and all forms of giving up any ground whatsoever upon which they walk in what is, in fact, their Father's world no matter what; and to fight as God commands in Eph. 6:10-20, 2 Cor. 10:3-6, etc.
In other words, I don't think anyone denies that rough times are ahead. Nor do we deny that sooner or later God will roll up this earth like a scroll and fold it like a garment.
But all that is in His hands. He will do as He pleases, He will carry on His most holy will and cause, and will never bat an eye in the process.
Meantime, we have our orders. It's all in the Bible.
I'm with you. I have come to realize that the answer to the old question, what's the meaning of life, is pretty simple. The most important thing in life is our personal relationship with God. Our personal relationship with the one true God IS the ONLY thing that matters in this life. All else comes second.
I know what God tells me the last days will look like. Knowing what life is all about and knowing that there are lost souls who have never heard the gospel, I'm compelled to use what days I have left to reach as many as I can. He died for me. The very least I can do is live for him.
I'm not worried a bit when I look around and see what is happening in this world. The state of this country does not bother me in the least. I, like you will do as my God commands and if that helps this country turn from it's ways and becomes a better place to live, great. I refuse to get all caught up in the world knowing that it doesn't mean a thing in the end. Do so can lead me from the real work that needs to be done.
I'll do my best to slow the downfall of America, I won't give up the fight and I'll go down swinging. Yet I do believe it's a losing fight unless God steps in and changes the course America is on. It seems like the majority of the people are hell bent on dragging this country down.
I just pray that Jesus sounds the trumpet, and calls us home, before God decides it's time to judge America.
Well stated JDF and others. But just remember the old song, "He's Got The Whole World In HIS Hands". And that's what keeps us hanging in there - we can't be separated as long as we cling to HIM!
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Stacy G wrote: I just pray that Jesus sounds the trumpet, and calls us home, before God decides it's time to judge America.
These are some great posts and are a lot of food for thought. This sentence is the one that struck me the most.
Gotta keep fighting! If/when the end comes, and you have given up, will He think you've given up on Him? It may REALLY seem like the time is near, but only He knows for sure when it will be.
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The way I see it. If you are seeking after his will in your life, doing as he commands and love him with all of your heart, soul mind and strength, you will be doing all you can for America. I think most know here on this board that God created this country to be a voice in the wilderness in the last days. To be a blessing to the world and to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. This country has been a blessing to the world. Americans have done more than any other country to date to spread the gospel in my eyes.
We need to take a honest look at what we have allow our leaders to do in this world today. We need to look at the filth we export around the world today. We need to look at how we put greed before the poor of this world. Look at how we have allowed God's word to be watered down. We have laws that say good is evil and evil is good. I'm sure God is looking at what we have become and doesn't like what he sees. He tells us to repent and turn to him and he will bless us. What's it going to take to get our nation to repent and turn to him. We have kicked him out of our nation. We have leaders that have traded God's law for their fortune and fame, and we have no one to blame but ourselves.
If you really want to get this country back, I would suggest not looking at men to do it. I would suggest that you do it. I suggest you quit looking for a saviour and look towards the saviour. Put God first in your lives. Do as he commands. Love him with all you have and then go out and spread the gospel the best you can. Start reading his Word. Learn how he wants you to live your life. Then live your life as he would have you live it.
I think when we start hating this world and want to be with him, we start living. The only reason that I can see to want to be here one more day than we have to be is to find a lost soul and help them find the truth and salvation. I praise God for sending some one to witness to me and I thank Charlie Daniels for recording a song that help me open my eyes.
GaCDBFan wrote: Gotta keep fighting! If/when the end comes, and you have given up, will He think you've given up on Him? It may REALLY seem like the time is near, but only He knows for sure when it will be.
God knows our hearts and will know that we haven't given up on Him. Have you ever had a Jehovah's Witness visit you? Ask them to salute the American flag and they won't do it. I think they're wrong for not saluting the flag and I bet most everybody here agrees with me. I'm not sure how God feels about them not saluting the flag but I do know that they're not doing it because they've given up on Him. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they won't do it because they feel it shows God they put America above Him. We may not agree with that way of thinking but the issue you're bringing up is giving up on God. Just because you know America is going to fall doesn't mean you've given up on God. Just the opposite. It shows Him that you believe His Word that there will be a one-world government someday. We shouldn't put most of our faith in God and a small part of it in America. We should put it all in Him. You are right about your last sentence. We just don't know for sure but the writing is on the wall.
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Jesse Duke fan wrote: GaCDBFan wrote: Gotta keep fighting! If/when the end comes, and you have given up, will He think you've given up on Him? It may REALLY seem like the time is near, but only He knows for sure when it will be.
God knows our hearts and will know that we haven't given up on Him. Have you ever had a Jehovah's Witness visit you? Ask them to salute the American flag and they won't do it. I think they're wrong for not saluting the flag and I bet most everybody here agrees with me. I'm not sure how God feels about them not saluting the flag but I do know that they're not doing it because they've given up on Him. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they won't do it because they feel it shows God they put America above Him. We may not agree with that way of thinking but the issue you're bringing up is giving up on God. Just because you know America is going to fall doesn't mean you've given up on God. Just the opposite. It shows Him that you believe His Word that there will be a one-world government someday. We shouldn't put most of our faith in God and a small part of it in America. We should put it all in Him. You are right about your last sentence. We just don't know for sure but the writing is on the wall.You're right, but I worded my question badly. I meant something more along the lines of how are you going to defend yourself on your judgment day at the pearly gates, if you've given up?
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GaCDBFan wrote: Jesse Duke fan wrote: GaCDBFan wrote: Gotta keep fighting! If/when the end comes, and you have given up, will He think you've given up on Him? It may REALLY seem like the time is near, but only He knows for sure when it will be.
God knows our hearts and will know that we haven't given up on Him. Have you ever had a Jehovah's Witness visit you? Ask them to salute the American flag and they won't do it. I think they're wrong for not saluting the flag and I bet most everybody here agrees with me. I'm not sure how God feels about them not saluting the flag but I do know that they're not doing it because they've given up on Him. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think they won't do it because they feel it shows God they put America above Him. We may not agree with that way of thinking but the issue you're bringing up is giving up on God. Just because you know America is going to fall doesn't mean you've given up on God. Just the opposite. It shows Him that you believe His Word that there will be a one-world government someday. We shouldn't put most of our faith in God and a small part of it in America. We should put it all in Him. You are right about your last sentence. We just don't know for sure but the writing is on the wall.You're right, but I worded my question badly. I meant something more along the lines of how are you going to defend yourself on your judgment day at the pearly gates, if you've given up?
Given up on what?
I think even if people give up on fighting to keep America a God fearing nation it doesn't mean that they've given up on trying to spread the Gospel and get people to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Maybe they've decided to spend their time and energy doing the later rather then the former.
America may fall, and it may become illegal to even mention the name of Jesus, but just like in China, or in the former USSR, their will be those who follow the gospel.
We believers all know that what's prophesied in the Bible is going to happen sooner or later. I agree it looks like it's happening right now. The only thing we can do is what you are already doing JDF. Put God first, reach out to others, and fight it as long as we can.
I believe that just as Abraham pleaded with God to save Sodom for the sake of the righteous people living there, we should ask God the same for us. God would have relented, but unfortunately there weren't even ten good people.
There are still many, many righteous people in America, so there's hope.
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Linda
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.
Winston Churchill
Jesse, have you tried CYMBALTA? If you don't find the inner peace Jesus spoke of, "Let not your heart be troubled," and Peter's follow up on what that would produce within you, "the peace that passes all understanding," ..... you could well end up in a hospital ward being force-fed lithium, prozac, and a few other happy pills.
Occupy and obey ..... no where are we told only to do so if it appears doing so is bringing about a 'win' on our part. On the contrary, much of the time it will look as though we're losing, just as it looked like Jesus lost when he was hanging suspended between heaven and earth.
I don't think it's necessary to list 157,000 verses to convince you to, "look up, for your redemption draweth nigh," because you already know all those verses ..... but for some reason you've not been able to make the words of encouragement in the Bible and from your friends here become real to you. They are still just words on a page for you. Lock yourself in a room, if you must, and go 'dwell in the secret place of the Most High,' and don't come out until you get this squared away once and for all. "If you've run with the footmen and been wearied, how will you run with the horses?" It's probably going to get worse in the US before it gets better. NOW is the time to resolve this within yourself. If you need help, get it, otherwise time to stop being a total buzz kill, if not for your own sake, for the sake of others.
vicki530 wrote: "the peace that passes all understanding," ..... you could well end up in a hospital ward being force-fed lithium, prozac, and a few other happy pills.
NOW is the time to resolve this within yourself. If you need help, get it, otherwise time to stop being a total buzz kill, if not for your own sake, for the sake of others.
I have very deep peace with my Lord. It's peace with the world that I'll never have. The more I think about the future, the more I am separating myself from the world and our nation and getting even closer to God. America along with her government and citizens are going to abandon Christianity and eventually turn against us. If Obama gets re-elected look for him to get his liberal Supreme Court and look for them to label any church a "hate group" if they believe in old fashioned Biblical values. If he doesn't get re-elected it will siimply happen later instead of sooner. If the one-world government doesn't destroy our nation secular forces will. We're being attacked by Satan in multiple ways and we're not going to win as a country but only as individuals saved by Jesus's blood.
As far as the second part of your quote. I'm sorry for bringing you down. After I created this post yesterday I went outside and mowed the lawn with a heavy heart, feeling like I'd betrayed people here. I still feel that way a little bit because I know it's depressing, especially when we think of the future for our children and grandchildren but Biblical Prophecy will happen whether we like it or not.
Jesse Duke fan wrote: vicki530 wrote: "the peace that passes all understanding," ..... you could well end up in a hospital ward being force-fed lithium, prozac, and a few other happy pills.
NOW is the time to resolve this within yourself. If you need help, get it, otherwise time to stop being a total buzz kill, if not for your own sake, for the sake of others.
I have very deep peace with my Lord. It's peace with the world that I'll never have. The more I think about the future, the more I am separating myself from the world and our nation and getting even closer to God. America along with her government and citizens are going to abandon Christianity and eventually turn against us. If Obama gets re-elected look for him to get his liberal Supreme Court and look for them to label any church a "hate group" if they believe in old fashioned Biblical values. If he doesn't get re-elected it will siimply happen later instead of sooner. If the one-world government doesn't destroy our nation secular forces will. We're being attacked by Satan in multiple ways and we're not going to win as a country but only as individuals saved by Jesus's blood.
As far as the second part of your quote. I'm sorry for bringing you down. After I created this post yesterday I went outside and mowed the lawn with a heavy heart, feeling like I'd betrayed people here. I still feel that way a little bit because I know it's depressing, especially when we think of the future for our children and grandchildren but Biblical Prophecy will happen whether we like it or not. you're right when you say Bible prophecy will happen whether we like it or not but we are not to have a defeatist attitude about itand maybe I am misreading yu Jesse duke fan and if I am let me know but you seem to be giving up on America. we are to watch and pray and speak out against the evil. I believe we are headed down some very dark days in our countrybut we are to trust God in all things. Jesus himself said that his people will be hated in all nations and we may soon face persecution and some may die or thier faith but we must stay strong and trust God
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don't mess with america the time has come to beat the liberals at their own game. politically incorrect and proud of it. Baptist by birth devil hater till I die.
Jesse Duke fan wrote: vicki530 wrote: "the peace that passes all understanding," ..... you could well end up in a hospital ward being force-fed lithium, prozac, and a few other happy pills.
NOW is the time to resolve this within yourself. If you need help, get it, otherwise time to stop being a total buzz kill, if not for your own sake, for the sake of others.
I have very deep peace with my Lord. It's peace with the world that I'll never have. The more I think about the future, the more I am separating myself from the world and our nation and getting even closer to God. America along with her government and citizens are going to abandon Christianity and eventually turn against us. If Obama gets re-elected look for him to get his liberal Supreme Court and look for them to label any church a "hate group" if they believe in old fashioned Biblical values. If he doesn't get re-elected it will simply happen later instead of sooner. If the one-world government doesn't destroy our nation secular forces will. We're being attacked by Satan in multiple ways and we're not going to win as a country but only as individuals saved by Jesus's blood.
As far as the second part of your quote. I'm sorry for bringing you down. After I created this post yesterday I went outside and mowed the lawn with a heavy heart, feeling like I'd betrayed people here. I still feel that way a little bit because I know it's depressing, especially when we think of the future for our children and grandchildren but Biblical Prophecy will happen whether we like it or not.
Well, there I go again, apparently misunderstanding your feelings, Jesse. I interpreted your words to mean that you are tormented by our situation in the US, and could not find peace in the midst of it. I apologize for lambasting you with my armchair psychiatrist routine. But I truly was worried for you. And I'm sorry, because I suspect I also hurt your feelings.
It's not a betrayal to express your feelings, even if they're negative on a subject. In that respect, you're being too hard on yourself. I believe many people in this nation are walking around in a state of low-grade depression since 9-11 happened. They know something is wrong inside themselves but can't nail it down. Having lived with it for nearly 11 years now, they no longer even realize they're in some blah funk. They've forgotten the days when they seized the day with enthusiasm. The reign of Dear Leader has only added to that unnamed blah thing going on inside them. I thought that was what was going on with you, Jesse. I guess I was wrong, but if anyone tells my husband I admitted being wrong on something, I'll hunt them down and .........
I'll begin by saying that I have no doubt there are megalomaniacal aspirations in the hearts and minds of many politicians to bring the whole world under their political plans and schemes. There are plenty of unregenerate, reprobate wretches in power who'd love to rule the world. This is but one of countless by-products of the fallen, sinful, anti-Christian nature that has plagued humanity since the fall of man in Eden. And there is but one cure for this hellish state of mind and heart, and that is regeneration and effectual calling by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit's illuminating and sanctifying influences, via the Holy Scriptures He inspired, to direct men back to a right relationship with their Maker.
Having said that, my friends, I ask that you bear with me and read my following statements carefully. It grieves me to think that some of you are living in a state of despair and even outright fear of an enemy that God can crush with no more than giving His Word to that end in due time.
There is no need to be afraid if God is your God indeed.
And so, I speak as a brother and a friend. As Vicki has said earlier, "Look up, for your redemption draweth nigh!"
Now, If I were you, I'd place no stock whatsoever in what the conspiracy theorist in this linked video has to say. Not one bit of credence at all.
Let me tell you why.
Notice what he says in his opening statement, and notice it very carefully.
Within the first 20 seconds of the video, he actually lumps Christianity into the mix as being a part of the alleged plot being used by those he calls "the men behind the curtain"; i.e., the fabricators of the shadow government, the puppeteers deceiving and controlling us.
He states, "a continually fraudulent zeitgeist is output, via religion..."
Now, let's stop right there for a moment.
What "religion" does this spookster have in mind? Is there one in particular, perhaps?
Lo and behold, why, yes, he has a specific religion in mind. When you watched that video, did you notice which one?
At the exact point in which he makes the above statement, the visual accompaniment onscreen is of an artist's rendition of the head of Christ with the crown of thorns on His head.
Hello.
Do you get it? According to this fear-monger on YouTube (and that is what he is, a fear-monger, spreading his paranoia, preying upon other active but largely undiscerning imaginations), Christianity is a chief ingredient in the deception of the people being used by "the men behind the curtain".
But, that's not the only hint this character gives his viewers as to his notion that Christianity is a major part of the shadow government's deceptive scheme.
Fast forward to 8:05 in the video, and listen closely, and watch, till the end of the video.
He comes to what he calls "the most incredible aspect of all".
According to this guy, the "men behind the curtain" use "religion, patriotism, race, wealth, class, and every other form of arbitrary separatist identification thus conceived... to create a controlled population, utterly malleable in the hands of the few." Again, note that "religion" heads the list of this individual's suspicions as to what the shadow men are using as a means of deceiving us.
And what "religion" might that be, in this guy's view?
Well, now, he does the same thing in this segment of the video that he did at the beginning of it. He supplies the image of a cross, made from the steel-beam debris of one of the WTC towers in NYC... thus identifying Christianity as a major part of the plot to deceive people by "the men behind the curtain".
Further, the conspiracy theorist in this video closes with the following statement:
"Divide and conquer is the motto. And as long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. The men behind the curtain know this. And they also know that if people ever realize the truth of their relationship to nature and the truth of their personal power, the entire manufactured zeitgeist will collapse like a house of cards."
Do you see what this fear-monger is actually doing here? He is saying that anyone who believes in Christ is actually a dupe of the "the men behind the curtain". He says that Christians thus "lend themselves to being completely enslaved", along with other "separatists".
Further, he is saying that we the people are actually capable of being our own saviors. All we have to do is "realize the truth of" our "relationship to nature and the truth of" our "personal power".
Just what the guy means by "relationship to nature" and "personal power" is not something he divulges in that particular video. Perhaps it is revealed by him somewhere in the midst of his other 100+ conspiracy theory vids on YouTube.
But no Christian really needs to go through all that piecemeal horror story channel of his to realize that he is actually anti-Christian. And because he is anti-Christian, his views on the One World Government and New World Order is not a credible source of information for Christians.
Question:
Why, pray tell, does anyone who is a Christian listen to these people? They think your faith is a bad joke, a deceptive "opiate of the masses" thing that an alleged shadow government uses to blind your hearts and minds, the better to control you with.
According to this conspiracy spin doctor, Christianity puts people in the dark. Realizing your potential in terms of "personal power" is your salvation. What is this guy about? Is he some pagan worshiper of the creation rather than the Creator, some form of secular or pagan humanist who believes man is his own god and savior?
Well, now, whatever or whoever he is, I could not give one ounce of credence to his anti-Christian speculations and conspiracy theories. This guy is like so many others. He is himself a dupe of Satan, following the Father of Lies who feeds his overactive imagination, who rejects the only truly reliable source of information on the planet; namely the Word of an omniscient and infallible God indeed.
What does the Bible say about all this? Let us take a look, shall we?
The guy in the video implies that if you are a Christian, you are in the dark. You are a sucker of "religion" which is a tool of the "the men behind the curtain".
But here is what the Lord Jesus Christ says: John 8:12
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12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
Compare John 1:1-18.
Paul wrote: 2 Corinthians 4:3-6
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3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
Instead of worrying about some shadow government, as per the theories of an anti-Christian YouTube-based conspiracy theorist, that allegedly is blinding the world with "religion" (and specifically the Christian religion, according to this theorist), we need to recognize who the real deceiver is, who blinds the minds of unbelievers and, among other things, gets their attention off of God, Christ and the Bible, and onto the rabbit chases of spin doctors on YouTube.
The real enemy is Satan, whom Jesus has clearly exposed as "the father of lies" (Jn. 8:43-44).
To be sure, Satan uses men to carry out his purposes. But he is the one behind the scenes. Rather than fret about "the men behind the curtain" in a shadow government conspiracy, be advised that there is a fallen angel who rules over other fallen angels and has a great time with these spin doctors whose cut-and-paste presentations that may contain grains of truth actually end up denying the source of all actual truth, even THE TRUTH Himself, Jesus Christ.
The Bible tells us clearly that we are engaged in a spiritual warfare, and that we are well-equipped by God Himself. See Ephesians 6:10-20.
Note the major emphasis placed by the apostle on the Word of God as a part of our weaponry in this war.
We need only the mind of the Spirit, revealed in Scripture, as our guide as we face any and all this world and fallen anti-Christians inspired by devils throws at us. And, truly, Isaiah 26:3
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3 You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you,
because he trusts in you.
This is one main thing I wish to convey in this post, dear friends: Trust God and His Word in these days and in those to come. Measure all you see and hear by that Word. If it does not align with Scripture, cast off that yoke, and let your hearts be not troubled. God is a warrior who has never and will never be defeated, whose faithful people will be okay, as they trust in and rely upon Him. He will tell you what you need to know, and direct your paths.
As it is written: Proverbs 3:5-7
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5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.
6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.
7 Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
Moreover, the guy who made that linked video apparently believes that men can save themselves by realizing some mystical connection to nature and the "power" within themselves.
Hah, now that is a whopper if ever there was one! The whole creation groans, the animal kingdom, the very weather, because of man and his sin! (see Rom. 8: 18-25). As that passage shows, only God is the Savior in Christ for both man and beast, and the full deliverance of both is future, and wholly in the hands of the true and living God, who is the only Sovereign of this universe!
Therefore, why do men fret in fear about this shadow government, and then imagine they can curtail it by their own fancied divinity?!
No namby-pamby notion about human goodness and greatness in harmony with nature, in the garb of some X-Files fantasy paranoia mindset, will set anyone free from their state of death in trespasses and sins. No one shall free them from their deceptions of heart (which heart Jeremiah says is "deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked", Jer. 17:9), except God in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit, and in strict accordance with the infallible and inerrant Word of God.
As you investigate the matter of a one world government or a new world order, ask yourself one question as you approach any and all materials that are presented as exposes of these and related matters, whether they are presented by professing Christians or some guy on YouTube whose credentials are as shadowy as the phantoms he says are lurking in the background to dupe people like yourself with the Christian "religion", "patriotism", etc., etc. Ask yourself, Does this presentation really conform to the teaching of the Bible?
And rest assured that: Isaiah 8:20
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20 To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.
Or, "because there is no light in them", as the KJV renders the original there.
Never, ever, follow the lead of people blindly whom you know reject God and the truth of God in Scripture. They are fools, and will fall for every lie under the sun rather than accept the truth in Christ. See Rom. 1:18-32.
Real knowledge, wisdom, and understanding, about all things, is wrapped up in a genuine fear or reverence for the God of the Bible: Proverbs 1:7
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7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 9:10
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10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight.
Job 28:28
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28 And he said to man,
‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.’”
Thanks for all these responses. You're such an awesome person Vicki I could never be mad at you. If everybody was like you this world would be a great place to live. I'm a pretty complicated person. My problem is that I think too much. Sometimes I talk (or type) too much and you're not the first person I've confused.
Maybe I'm going through a mid-life crisis. I'm not sure what my problem is but it doesn't seem like a problem to me. It seems like an awakening. I think most people have thoughts like mine when they get older than I am (52) but since I think so much, I occasionally get ahead of the game. That was an interesting idea you had about getting depressed after 9-11. You're right that I've been down emotionally since an event but it wasn't that one. Ever since Obama's been in office I've lost faith in people. I will get some of it back if he's voted out so I'm sure that will help. If he wins, I'll hit a new low in my faith in humanity. I just don't get how people cannot see through him for what he is. The good news is that I've drawn closer to God since BHO's been in office. That good news far outshadows anything bad.
Sorry if my video posting upset you. I know it caused you to take time out of your day to post all of that. I do agree with a lot of what you stated, and I very much enjoyed reading it.
For me, I see a lot of truth in what is being presented in the video. I guess the reason I didn't get upset with the image of Jesus and the narrator stating what he did about religion ( Christian ) is that I see the Word of God being watered down by so called Christian churches. I look around and see more false doctrines that claim to be Christian than I do true bible teaching churches. I see false prophets claiming to be Christian men on TV. I see pastors willing to call good evil and evil good. I see Christian preachers sharing the alter with men of satanic religions. I also see these false teaching churches standing next to world leaders. I see satan in these false churches leading the lost to hell, and he is doing it in the name of Christ.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this, we are living in the last days. satan is very busy. He has slithered right in to church buildings and is disrupting the Word of God. He has changed the Word of God right before our eyes in some churches. He has gotten men to say that what God calls sin, is now perfect human nature and the Word of God needs to be modernized. We have gays that are bishops and famous pastors who claim to be Godly that will stand along side these men and claim it's okay. I'm not shocked by any of this. God tells me it will happen in the last days.
I'm not worried about America. I'm worried about the lost. I think most here ( I might be wrong) aren't hearing what JDF is saying in his posts. What I get from him is this. The most important thing in life is having a perfect relationship with God first and strive to do his will in your life. Nothing else matters. By having a loving relationship with God and doing his will, you will be doing what is right for America. You will be seeking to put Godly men in office. You will be trying to stop God from being kicked out of this country, and you will be making America what she once was.
Sorry if my video posting upset you. I know it caused you to take time out of your day to post all of that. I do agree with a lot of what you stated, and I very much enjoyed reading it.
It's okay, my friend. Not to worry about me. Actually, your post does serve to clarify a few things, and my only concern here is that none of my brothers and sisters in Christ get swayed by unbiblical theories, or theorists, who would seek to undermine their faith in Christ, while also gathering up followers of themselves.
That's one thing the guy in the video is doing. He is presenting himself as a man in the know. He's one of the few who knows what has somehow eluded everyone else, including Christ and, of course, we fuddy duddy Christians. Why, he knows more than Christ knows (he thinks), and he wants to enlighten us Christians about "the men behind the curtain".
Can you say cult leader?
That's a big part of what he is doing. He's recruiting folk with his back-to-nature (whatever that means for him)-people-power gig.
I do a lot of research, mostly theological. Indeed, whatever I'm looking at, I have God in front of me. There is nothing like developing a theo-centric, God_centered perspective. Put the cause of the Biblical God and truth front and center of all you think, say, and do, and God will honor that.
And you cannot go wrong with God's perspective.
If folk are not careful, they can get really tangled up with all the spin about this and that. Lots of "New Age" stuff has crept into the picture that modern-day analysts are promoting. Lots of old, ancient paganism, too, in modern dress.
I love the simplicity, yet the profundity, of a pure Biblical perspective. In reality, nothing is deeper than God and His Word, and if folk just realized it, the Bible will satisfy their naturally inquisitive nature to know what otherwise cannot be known. They need not go anywhere else for information. The eternal and omniscient One wrote the book. He also has it all under control. there's not one maverick molecule running lose in His universe apart from His will and control, praise His Name.
Thanks for your last post, IDKY.
And may God bless you all as we move forward in the full confidence that all things work together for the good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose, Rom. 8:28.
Revelation 1:4-8
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Greeting to the Seven Churches
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood 6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. 7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 22:12-21
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12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
17 The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
Markus-long-name-e-ous wrote: "There are plenty of unregenerate, reprobate wretches in power who'd love to rule the world. This is but one of countless by-products of the fallen, sinful, anti-Christian nature that has plagued humanity since the fall of man in Eden. And there is but one cure for this hellish state of mind and heart, and that is regeneration and effectual calling by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit's illuminating and sanctifying influences, via the Holy Scriptures He inspired, to direct men back to a right relationship with their Maker."
Markus-long-name-e-ous, art thou by chance, a Calvinist? Just about all that's missing in your vocabulary clues is "imputed righteousness." FYI, if you are, you are one of only about 5 of us here. Just curious, but if you'd rather not say, "eeze OK." And "spookster," that was funny.
Last edited on Fri May 11th, 2012 01:56 am by vicki530
vicki530 wrote: Markus-long-name-e-ous wrote: "There are plenty of unregenerate, reprobate wretches in power who'd love to rule the world. This is but one of countless by-products of the fallen, sinful, anti-Christian nature that has plagued humanity since the fall of man in Eden. And there is but one cure for this hellish state of mind and heart, and that is regeneration and effectual calling by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit's illuminating and sanctifying influences, via the Holy Scriptures He inspired, to direct men back to a right relationship with their Maker."
Markus-long-name-e-ous, art thou by chance, a Calvinist? Just about all that's missing in your vocabulary clues is "imputed righteousness." FYI, if you are, you are one of only about 5 of us here. Just curious, but if you'd rather not say, "eeze OK." And "spookster," that was funny.
Uhm...yes ma'am, I am a Calvinist. Became convinced of the Reformed view when doing some major soteriological research. When the writings of the Puritans and the Reformers got through with me on the subject of sin, and how far fallen men actually are by nature, I knew from the through-going Biblically based unction of those pastoral theologians of yesteryear, plus from my own salvation experience, that nothing short of grace could have saved a wretch like me.
trust me, when God reached down for me, He had to reach way down for me.
It was all by His grace then, and it is only by His grace now, that Mark still stands.
lol... my name is a long one, I guess. I love cats, and the "Leoninus" part of my username is Latin. it means like, or characteristic of, the lion.
My real name is mark, incidentally. Markus rhymes with leoninus. So, there ya go.
I hope my being a Calvinist in terms of theological persuasion doesn't alarm anyone, lol.
I'm a nice cat. I purr more than I roar.
I love my Arminian brothers and sisters, too, after all.
If you love Jesus, and trust only Him for your salvation, I love you easily enough.
MarkusLeoninus wrote: vicki530 wrote: Markus-long-name-e-ous wrote: "There are plenty of unregenerate, reprobate wretches in power who'd love to rule the world. This is but one of countless by-products of the fallen, sinful, anti-Christian nature that has plagued humanity since the fall of man in Eden. And there is but one cure for this hellish state of mind and heart, and that is regeneration and effectual calling by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit's illuminating and sanctifying influences, via the Holy Scriptures He inspired, to direct men back to a right relationship with their Maker."
Markus-long-name-e-ous, art thou by chance, a Calvinist? Just about all that's missing in your vocabulary clues is "imputed righteousness." FYI, if you are, you are one of only about 5 of us here. Just curious, but if you'd rather not say, "eeze OK." And "spookster," that was funny.
Uhm...yes ma'am, I am a Calvinist. Became convinced of the Reformed view when doing some major soteriological research. When the writings of the Puritans and the Reformers got through with me on the subject of sin, and how far fallen men actually are by nature, I knew from the through-going Biblically based unction of those pastoral theologians of yesteryear, plus from my own salvation experience, that nothing short of grace could have saved a wretch like me.
trust me, when God reached down for me, He had to reach way down for me.
It was all by His grace then, and it is only by His grace now, that Mark still stands.
lol... my name is a long one, I guess. I love cats, and the "Leoninus" part of my username is Latin. it means like, or characteristic of, the lion.
My real name is mark, incidentally. Markus rhymes with leoninus. So, there ya go.
I hope my being a Calvinist in terms of theological persuasion doesn't alarm anyone, lol.
I'm a nice cat. I purr more than I roar.
I love my Arminian brothers and sisters, too, after all.
If you love Jesus, and trust only Him for your salvation, I love you easily enough.
By the way, Madam, are you a Calvinist?
vicki-the-mutual-lover-of-all-things-feline wrote: "FYI, if you are, you are one of only about 5 of us here." Us, as in, yes, me too. I, too, didn't start out that way, but study also led me to the unavoidable conclusion. I guess it's true, 'takes one to know one.'
MarkusLeoninus wrote: vicki530 wrote: Markus-long-name-e-ous wrote: "There are plenty of unregenerate, reprobate wretches in power who'd love to rule the world. This is but one of countless by-products of the fallen, sinful, anti-Christian nature that has plagued humanity since the fall of man in Eden. And there is but one cure for this hellish state of mind and heart, and that is regeneration and effectual calling by the power of the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit's illuminating and sanctifying influences, via the Holy Scriptures He inspired, to direct men back to a right relationship with their Maker."
Markus-long-name-e-ous, art thou by chance, a Calvinist? Just about all that's missing in your vocabulary clues is "imputed righteousness." FYI, if you are, you are one of only about 5 of us here. Just curious, but if you'd rather not say, "eeze OK." And "spookster," that was funny.
Uhm...yes ma'am, I am a Calvinist. Became convinced of the Reformed view when doing some major soteriological research. When the writings of the Puritans and the Reformers got through with me on the subject of sin, and how far fallen men actually are by nature, I knew from the through-going Biblically based unction of those pastoral theologians of yesteryear, plus from my own salvation experience, that nothing short of grace could have saved a wretch like me.
trust me, when God reached down for me, He had to reach way down for me.
It was all by His grace then, and it is only by His grace now, that Mark still stands.
lol... my name is a long one, I guess. I love cats, and the "Leoninus" part of my username is Latin. it means like, or characteristic of, the lion.
My real name is mark, incidentally. Markus rhymes with leoninus. So, there ya go.
I hope my being a Calvinist in terms of theological persuasion doesn't alarm anyone, lol.
I'm a nice cat. I purr more than I roar.
I love my Arminian brothers and sisters, too, after all.
If you love Jesus, and trust only Him for your salvation, I love you easily enough.
By the way, Madam, are you a Calvinist?
vicki-the-mutual-lover-of-all-things-feline wrote: "FYI, if you are, you are one of only about 5 of us here." Us, as in, yes, me too. I, too, didn't start out that way, but study also led me to the unavoidable conclusion. I guess it's true, 'takes one to know one.'
IDKY wrote: I see the Word of God being watered down by so called Christian churches. I look around and see more false doctrines that claim to be Christian than I do true bible teaching churches. I see false prophets claiming to be Christian men on TV. I see pastors willing to call good evil and evil good. I see Christian preachers sharing the alter with men of satanic religions. I also see these false teaching churches standing next to world leaders. I see satan in these false churches leading the lost to hell, and he is doing it in the name of Christ.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this, we are living in the last days. satan is very busy. He has slithered right in to church buildings and is disrupting the Word of God. He has changed the Word of God right before our eyes in some churches. He has gotten men to say that what God calls sin, is now perfect human nature and the Word of God needs to be modernized. We have gays that are bishops and famous pastors who claim to be Godly that will stand along side these men and claim it's okay. I'm not shocked by any of this. God tells me it will happen in the last days.
I'm not worried about America. I'm worried about the lost. I think most here ( I might be wrong) aren't hearing what JDF is saying in his posts. What I get from him is this. The most important thing in life is having a perfect relationship with God first and strive to do his will in your life. Nothing else matters. By having a loving relationship with God and doing his will, you will be doing what is right for America. You will be seeking to put Godly men in office. You will be trying to stop God from being kicked out of this country, and you will be making America what she once was.
These are very powerful words IDKY. Thanks for sharing them. However, regarding the last sentence I agree with the first half but I don't think we will succeed with your goal in the second half. I wish I was wrong.
We have a president who has basically said that every president from George Washington to George W Bush is a stupid idiot for not endorsing gay marriage. We know our president's not a Christian. He's so mysterious that we have no idea if he's a Muslim, atheist, agnostic or something else. He's done dozens of things to show how much he hates Christianity. (Thanks to the WallBuilder website for pointing them all out). To make matters worse he teased people who cling to guns or religion and still got voted into office. I don't know who's more to blame, Obama or the voters. If he gets re-elected can anybody tell me with a straight face that America will ever be able to return to greatness with an Obama Supreme Court that will radically change our country. We're doomed if he gets re-elected. Period. To make matters even worse, our young people accept every immorality imaginable. They're going to be our future leaders. They are becoming increasingly secular. Either that or they have been brainwashed to believe that all religions are equal and Christianity is nothing special. America is going to fall.
vicki530 wrote: I guess it's true, 'takes one to know one.' I guess so, because I didn't catch that...lol! Now you have me wondering who the other 4 are.
____________________ for now,
Linda
You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.
Winston Churchill
Jesse Duke fan wrote: If he wins, I'll hit a new low in my faith in humanity. I just don't get how people cannot see through him for what he is. The good news is that I've drawn closer to God since BHO's been in office. That good news far outshadows anything bad.
In this election, the Obamination will pull out all the stops. Every known trick that has ever been pulled in an election will be utilized 10-100-1000 fold and more. That is the ONLY way the Obamination can win! Lib-tards are at the most 20% of the population. The ONLY way for them to win is by cheating! I realize that there are STILL millions of passionate Obots, but without some moderates and some brain-dead whites who don't want to be labeled "racists", he can't win - so he'll cheat. These people who can't see what he is are having their minds clouded by Satan.
____________________ "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
I agree KTC. The problem is even much bigger than Obama though. He'd more of a symptom than the problem. People voted for him because America is changing. We're now willing to accept a person who is not a Christian as the leader of our country.There are many symptoms that point to the disease of immorality that is going to kill our nation in the long run. He may be defeated in November. If he does, we will have won a big battle but we're going to lose the war on immorality, especially when our youth gets older. They're being taught that anybody who preaches against immorality is an "intolerant hater" and kids these days are buying that rhetoric.
This gay marriage thing is another symptom of America's terminal disease. The biggest argument they make is that they were born that way. I don't like it when Christians dispute the "born this way" theory because I think they were. That doesn't mean that homosexuality is okay. All humans are born into sin. A man is born with desires that are different than a woman's. Just watch any shows about the science of sex and you'll see it's true. Or just watch how men behave and it doesn't take long to figure out. That's the way men are programmed. They're simply born that way. So, does that mean that a man should be permitted to have sex with every woman in the world? Of course not. Resisting sin is what separates us from animals. Does that mean that a man should be permitted to marry thousands of women? Of course it doesn't. That would be a sin too. But you can bet that will be the next battle for liberals to satisfy the people who were "born that way". They refuse to call it sin. They refuse to call anything sin because the very word "sin" has Biblical implications and they hate the Bible. Eventually anybody who says anything bad against gay marriage will have charges against them for hate crimes. It won't happen soon but we're heading down that path and it's just another example of how America is dying. Our freedom of religion is being taken away. Soon we will no longer be able to quote the Bible when discussing morality. How long will it be before the Bible is banned because it is a "hate book"?
My wife and I recorded the History Channel's mini-series "The Hatfield's and McCoys" and just got done watching part 2. Whenever I watch shows like that I'm reminded how much courage people had in older days. Even in my lifetime I've seen how much we've lost our courage, AKA guts. Now, I'm not saying that all "guts" was good. It takes guts to do terrible things too but mostly the term we use as "guts' refers to the GOOD kind of bravery. When you consider the bumper sticker "God, guns and guts made America great" we're talking about the courage of good Americans.
It's well documented about how liberals are trying to take God and guns away from Americans but they're also trying to take the other third of that bumper sticker away as well and they're being much more subtle about it. Kids these days aren't the same as they used to be. In a way I'm glad to see that they're not as brave because I (selfishly) don't want any of my grandsons to do something stupid and get killed sometime in the future but liberals are weakening our nation by creating a bunch of wimps. We're teaching our kids "zero tolerance" for violence. There's been many cases of an innocent kid in school trying to defend themselves getting into as much trouble as the bully who beat him to a pulp. The bully could throw 100 punches before the victim even attempts one and the punishment is equal. Victims are supposed to take every punch without responding. Not only that but we teach our kids to "tolerate" sin. In other words, they shouldn't be brave and stand up for what the Bible believes but they should be wimps and bow down to the rules that are crammed down their throats from "tolerant" polticians who have no tolerance for Christians. Kids are being taught that Christianity is a hateful intolerant religion and having the guts to say otherwise will get you in trouble.
I could go on but you get the point. All three things are in jeapordy. God is being kicked out of every aspect of our society. We're one Supreme Court Justice away from losing our guns and (ever so sneakingly) America is running out of guts. America is dying in slow motion.
The tactics of the left are interesting to watch, and would halfway amuse me if I wasn't seeing my liberties slipping away because of them.
What they do is see how much they can take away before someone or some group notices and blows the whistle on them. Once that happens they back up, and they may even give up a foot of gained ground, wait awhile then try again. When they try again they'll regain the given up foot of ground and gain a couple more feet.
They are patient and they've learned to go after kids in subtle ways. Just look at Happy Feet and Bridge to Tarabithia, look what they choose to teach in schools, look what they show on TV shows geared toward teens. Once kids have been indoctrinated, and grow up, they can then vote for the liberal causes and candidates.
I'm still holding out hope that the tide will turn but I'm not gonna hold my breath and wait for it to happen. I have this addiction to oxygen that I can't seem to overcome.
Stacy G wrote: The tactics of the left are interesting to watch, and would halfway amuse me if I wasn't seeing my liberties slipping away because of them.
What they do is see how much they can take away before someone or some group notices and blows the whistle on them. Once that happens they back up, and they may even give up a foot of gained ground, wait awhile then try again. When they try again they'll regain the given up foot of ground and gain a couple more feet.
They are patient and they've learned to go after kids in subtle ways. Just look at Happy Feet and Bridge to Tarabithia, look what they choose to teach in schools, look what they show on TV shows geared toward teens. Once kids have been indoctrinated, and grow up, they can then vote for the liberal causes and candidates.
I'm still holding out hope that the tide will turn but I'm not gonna hold my breath and wait for it to happen. I have this addiction to oxygen that I can't seem to overcome.
That's because it sounds like, you are just like me and realist. America has allowed this Progressive Social Agenda for to long and has sit by and let it take over in every aspect of human life, including in the Church and most of all in the halls of Government. It should have been stopped in the 20s and 30s when it found it's way here from Europe in the minds of Immigrant College Professors. In my estimation,it's to late and the time is to short to save what is left of Judeo Christian, Conservative, America. However I will defend what is left until my dying breath.
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Jesse Duke fan wrote: The diagnosis and symptoms are clear. America's days are numbered.
I encourage everybody to fight for America as well but I warn you that we're going to lose. It's just a matter of when. America's days are numbered. We have to accept that and prepare ourselves for the inevitable.
I'm not so sure. America has a long history of taking itself to the edge and bouncing right back. They thought they had us beat in WWII when they destroyed much of our Navy. Bin Ladin thought he had us beat when the towers fell on 911. He now has a bullet in his eye courtesy of Seal Team Six, and is busy serving lunch to a bunch of crabs. We always seem to fall asleep at the switch, people start yelling about how our world is ending, but we're still here. We beat the Nazis, and we can beat Che Guevara's number one fan! Take commie-care for example...
LinusMaximus wrote: I'm not so sure. America has a long history of taking itself to the edge and bouncing right back.
Nice post Linus. I like your fighting spirit. The problem is that if Obama gets re-elected and eventually gets the Supreme Court he dreams of we'll be OVER the edge. Also, you're not addressing the issue of the Bible predicting a one-world government.
This video makes some very valid points. While I don't agree with him on some things, his main point is VERY valid.
CAUTION, VERY STRONG LANGUAGE!
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Wow...lots of comments and I have pretty much avoided the message board for a while (can be addictive, ya know!)...but I will say that while Biblical Prophecy is being unfolded and things will happen according to God's Word, we are still called upon to be "salt and light" and to "occupy" until He returns. Someday, yes...the USA will be no more. That also goes for all other nations. But, until then, I think we need to stand up and fight for the country we love. My 2 cents worth.
Glenn wrote: Wow...lots of comments and I have pretty much avoided the message board for a while (can be addictive, ya know
I agree. This site is addictive. I need to just pack this keypad up so that I can get some packing done.
Jesse Duke fan wrote: LinusMaximus wrote: I'm not so sure. America has a long history of taking itself to the edge and bouncing right back.
Nice post Linus. I like your fighting spirit. The problem is that if Obama gets re-elected and eventually gets the Supreme Court he dreams of we'll be OVER the edge. Also, you're not addressing the issue of the Bible predicting a one-world government.So true Jesse, so very true! The Bible predicts a one-world government, but it doesn't say when. We've had situations before where we thought for sure the anti-Christ was here, Hitler for example. Turns out, he was just a paper hanging goober with bad taste in mustaches and a rotten temper. We stopped him. There have been many times where the world hit the edge, only to bounce back better than ever. I will say this, if Obama is re-elected, I won't be so optimistic. He is dangerous to the welfare of this nation and everything it stands for, but we're not cooked just yet, so let's pray for God's intervention that he might give us the wisdom to pick wisely this November. I think God is testing us. After all, why should the good lord help us if we won't even get off the couch an go vote?
Herb wrote: This video makes some very valid points. While I don't agree with him on some things, his main point is VERY valid.
CAUTION, VERY STRONG LANGUAGE!
The title of this thread is "America is Dying" and this "so-called honest" rant is deceitful which proves that libtards' number 1 objective - to tear this country down - plays second-fiddle to America's goodness. I believe there is a quote that if America ever stops being good, it will stop being great.
Goodness ALWAYS comes from God. This country has been blessed by God, and will continue to be blessed by God as long as we acknowledge Him as our true leader. Libtards can't stand that fact, and will always do everything to obscure that fact!
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Hey, y'all. I am brand new here. I'd like to say this: When I hear on this thread reference to "our leaders," and where they are taking us, I cringe. "In America," those clowns who are up there in DC are NOT our leaders! Let's do civics class one more time. They are our REPRESENTATIVES, all of them. They are our SERVANTS, our HIRED MEN (and women). When we hear the media talk about Democrat leaders, or Republican leaders, that means leaders of their PARTY, or their CAUCUS, or the majority or the minority, or some other little clique of their choosing, but WE THE PEOPLE should not let that terminology translate in our minds as they being the LEADERS of THE PEOPLE. Do you see the (huge) difference? This is why we hear, like in my own church, my deacons and preacher praying every Sunday "for our leaders." BULL! I had a talk with my preacher about this last month, and he saw the point, and has now educated our congregation on this topic in a recent sermon! Halleluia!! The are our Representatives, period, and as such, they are to do our bidding, in compliance with the Law of the Land, our Constitution! If I got the word out where I live, so can YOU, among your community. Remember, "In America," WE THE PEOPLE are sovereign, we have no kings and our elected folks are not our leaders! Elected officials in the House of Representatives like to be called "Congressman." NO!! They are members of the House of Representatives, and their rightful title is Representative So-and-So, not Congressman. I think they prefer this term because they like confusing the "little people" like us who voted for them, and letting us forget they are our hired servants, not our Lords and Masters! Do not let them get away with this double speak. Call them by the proper name. It is not a trifling detail.
Welcome to the board Joe. Good post, I think all of us regular posters would agree with you too. We don't think of our elected representatives as our "leaders" as in "Dear Leader", but we would like them to have leadership qualities.
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legitlinda wrote: Welcome to the board Joe. Good post, I think all of us regular posters would agree with you too. We don't think of our elected representatives as our "leaders" as in "Dear Leader", but we would like them to have leadership qualities.
Which our current crop of politicians have very few people with any of these qualities
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Old Virginia Joe wrote: Hey, y'all. I am brand new here. I'd like to say this: When I hear on this thread reference to "our leaders," and where they are taking us, I cringe. "In America," those clowns who are up there in DC are NOT our leaders! Let's do civics class one more time. They are our REPRESENTATIVES, all of them. They are our SERVANTS, our HIRED MEN (and women). When we hear the media talk about Democrat leaders, or Republican leaders, that means leaders of their PARTY, or their CAUCUS, or the majority or the minority, or some other little clique of their choosing, but WE THE PEOPLE should not let that terminology translate in our minds as they being the LEADERS of THE PEOPLE. Do you see the (huge) difference? This is why we hear, like in my own church, my deacons and preacher praying every Sunday "for our leaders." BULL! I had a talk with my preacher about this last month, and he saw the point, and has now educated our congregation on this topic in a recent sermon! Halleluia!! The are our Representatives, period, and as such, they are to do our bidding, in compliance with the Law of the Land, our Constitution! If I got the word out where I live, so can YOU, among your community. Remember, "In America," WE THE PEOPLE are sovereign, we have no kings and our elected folks are not our leaders! Elected officials in the House of Representatives like to be called "Congressman." NO!! They are members of the House of Representatives, and their rightful title is Representative So-and-So, not Congressman. I think they prefer this term because they like confusing the "little people" like us who voted for them, and letting us forget they are our hired servants, not our Lords and Masters! Do not let them get away with this double speak. Call them by the proper name. It is not a trifling detail.Great point Joe. Thanks for voicing it. I'm not comfortable calling anyone my leader or representative unless I want to follow them or unless they represent my views. Since people like Obama aren't worth following he's certainly not my leader and since his atheist socialist ways don't represent America he doesn't deserve to be called our representative. I don't even consider him to be my president since he's part of the reason America is dying.
There is only one "leader" in my life and HE doesn't hold public office. His Name is Jesus Christ.
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Good point KTC. When refering to God as our Leader I think we should use a capital L just like we use a capital H when calling God He or Him. God is the Ultimate Leader but I'm very comfortable calling a person a leader if he or she is worthy of it. Since I have a brother who is 18 months older than me I spent most of my childhood following and not leading so I'm very comfortable calling someone like Charlie Daniels a leader.
I was going to start another thread or post this question in the election thread but decided to put it here. I've been doing a lot of thinking about what I'm going to do if Obama wins in November. I've decided that I'm going to withdrawl from society as much as possible. I'm no longer going to read the newspaper, watch the news or even use the computer. I live near Amish people and respect them very much. I'm not going to become exactly like them but I'm going to go in that direction. I'm going to seperate myself from the world as much as I can and completely throw myself into the things that really matter to me, God, family and my two favorite hobbies, astronomy and writing a book. I will have lost the last bit of hope I had for America if Obama wins and I will have no faith left that the world could possibly last long. If Obama wins, we'll start to see Biblical Prophecy unfold very quickly so we should make plans now for that possibility. Does anyone else here have plans to change their life if BHO gets four more years?
Every once in awhile something comes along to make me think that America has a chance. Not too long ago it was Chick-Fil-A. All that changed today when they caved and announced that gay marriage is fine. (that's not exactly what they said but they might as well have).
The pillars of America are crumbling before our eyes. The ones that haven't already come down are cracked. Sometimes I just want to sit and cry, knowing where we're heading. Sometimes I wish I was 102 and not 52 so I won't be around to see America's final demise but it sure looks like it's going to happen sooner than later. It's so sad. I am now clinging strongly to God only because it's clear that there's not a future in clinging to God and country both. Our days as a nation are numbered. If Obama gets re-elected the number will be small. If he doesn't it will still happen but the number will be bigger....probably not that much bigger though. Biblical prophecy is unfolding before our very eyes.
Jesse Duke fan wrote: Every once in awhile something comes along to make me think that America has a chance. Not too long ago it was Chick-Fil-A. All that changed today when they caved and announced that gay marriage is fine. (that's not exactly what they said but they might as well have).
The pillars of America are crumbling before our eyes. The ones that haven't already come down are cracked. Sometimes I just want to sit and cry, knowing where we're heading. Sometimes I wish I was 102 and not 52 so I won't be around to see America's final demise but it sure looks like it's going to happen sooner than later. It's so sad. I am now clinging strongly to God only because it's clear that there's not a future in clinging to God and country both. Our days as a nation are numbered. If Obama gets re-elected the number will be small. If he doesn't it will still happen but the number will be bigger....probably not that much bigger though. Biblical prophecy is unfolding before our very eyes.Kind of felt like all the people who went out of their way to support C-F-A ended up getting the shaft.
CFA released a statement yesterday or day before that was very vague about the company's stand on the issue that has gay activists convinced they "won." I think CFA was being vague intentionally to let them think they won without changing a thing. Just my opinion. They probably should have just left it alone.
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I think this thread is a perfect place for this if indeed Mr. Cathy and CFA have caved on this issue. A lot of pressure has been put on them by all these fringe groups and if the homosexual agenda didn't have the sympathy of a misguided populace, they would not have the strength that they do. When a perverse abomination like this is aloud to become just an alternative lifestyle and is widely accepted, it says something about a nation and we have comprimised away our values and virtue. Evil always triumphs when good folks are silent and apathetic. How far away can final judgement be for our nation ?
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The only thing that Chick fil a actually said was to write that their “intent is not to engage in political or social debates.” I think they are just going to stop the COMPANY from officially donating any money, and instead PERSONALLY donate the same money. Honestly, I think that's the right thing to do.
“Chick-fil-A: Who We Are,” also will state that the chain will “treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their beliefs, race, creed, sexual orientation and gender.” That's already what they do at the actual business and in the shops, because it is the Christian way to act. Remember the stories of employees bringing out water to the (few) protesters who were out in the heat? Contrary to the stories of the Left, Chick Fil A doesn't "hate" any of these people, and has always treated them with dignity, etc. They have just stated their opinion that the traditional family is a better way. I think all they have done is separate the executives' personal opinions from corporate policy. The reality is, they haven't changed a thing.
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Thanks for filling me in. This is really disappointing. I hope GA is right and they're not backing down, just changing where the money is coming from. It makes me so mad that these blankity blank libs get their way most of the time.
Their company policy hasn't changed. It has always said that they do not discriminate, so that can't be claimed as a win by the homosexual groups.
I'm hoping we hear something from Dan Cathy himself.
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GaCDBFan wrote: The only thing that Chick fil a actually said was to write that their “intent is not to engage in political or social debates.” I think they are just going to stop the COMPANY from officially donating any money, and instead PERSONALLY donate the same money. Honestly, I think that's the right thing to do.
“Chick-fil-A: Who We Are,” also will state that the chain will “treat every person with honor, dignity and respect — regardless of their beliefs, race, creed, sexual orientation and gender.” That's already what they do at the actual business and in the shops, because it is the Christian way to act. Remember the stories of employees bringing out water to the (few) protesters who were out in the heat? Contrary to the stories of the Left, Chick Fil A doesn't "hate" any of these people, and has always treated them with dignity, etc. They have just stated their opinion that the traditional family is a better way. I think all they have done is separate the executives' personal opinions from corporate policy. The reality is, they haven't changed a thing.
The problem is that any change whatsoever on CFA's part gives the appearance of weakness to their enemies. Like foreign terrorists, these perpetrators of domestic terrorism jump on their prey if the slightest indecision or weakness is detected. Terrorism is still terrorism even if it's instigated by domestic sources and is designed to destroy a business or institution. It is the MO of progressives and does not require bombs, just the cooperation of the press, social medias, and disgruntled, whiney little hired and unhired mobs of social misfits who want their agenda to be accepted, no matter how warped or disgusting it may be. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are experts at this kind of extortion and manipulation and have practiced it for years to get companies to fold or change under their pressure. It's still physchological, social, and financial Domestic Terrorism to gain submission from your opponent and force them into compliance with your progressive agenda. Sadly, CFA walked into the final play on the LGBT chessboard, and in his innocence, Mr. Cathy didn't understand that his move has allowed them to (falsely) claim victory. We have to always remember that progressives follow the same playbook as our friends in the Religion of Peace--if they see or smell the slightest weakness on the part of the enemy--they WILL exploit it. What a sad, sorry state they have fallen to.
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For many months now, Chick-fil-A’s corporate giving has been mischaracterized. And while our sincere intent has been to remain out of this political and social debate, events from Chicago this week have once again resulted in questions around our giving. For that reason, we want to provide some context and clarity around who we are, what we believe and our priorities in relation to corporate giving. For a better understanding of our corporate giving, please see the attached document titled “Chick-fil-A: Who We Are”. This is the same document provided and referred to in coverage surrounding Chicago. http://cot.ag/Sa2Sac
I agree Vicki. I was listening to Eric Ericson (frequent fill in for Neal Boortz and has his own talk show on WSB 750 AM here in Atlanta... really the whole SE and then some because they are a very powerful station... and the editor in chief of redstate.com) yesterday, and heard him talking about this. He thought they were trying to let the activists think they had won with the vague statement, and he also thought it was a bad idea.
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I just read the document in its entirety, and it sounds like they are continuing to officially support all of the very same charities they have always supported. They just inserted language to re-enforce what I said about ALWAYS treating everyone with respect, no matter what. They've always done it, now they just put it in writing.
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Thanks to everyone who has tried to clear up this mess. I suppose it's a glass half full half empty thing.
I really love your post Vicki. The glass sure is half empty to me. Unfortunately "victories" like this are hollow and are just a way to throw Bible believers a bone while Satan goes off to celebrate with the side of beef.
In these cases they make Christians feel like they've won something so they don't notice that they're losing America. If you try to take something away from someone quickly they'll react and fight but if you slowly sneak it away they might not even notice.
From week to week I haven't noticed America is being destroyed by Satanic forces but, looking back at the 52 years of my life, I can sure see the trend. It's a clever strategy being used by evil forces and it's working just how they want it to.
Jesse Duke Fan - Always remember the following and it will not seem so overwhelming:
Romans 12:19 - Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, saith the Lord
Deuteronomy 32:35 & Hebrews 10:30
Romans 12:17 - Recompense to no man evil for evil
and the best one:
Romans 12:21 - Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
As Christians, we don't have a magic wand, we have something infinitely better - we have Jesus Christ. So let Him fight your battles for you! You can defeat Satan on your worst day, and you only have to use a Book - your Bible - the Word of God, and tell Beelzebub to flee and he will!
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America is in need of a sweeping revival that will turn the hearts of the people back toward the GOD of the Bible. This is the core issue. It doesn't matter what policies Government makes. It doesn't matter what happens in the Middle East. It doesn't matter what issue happens to be on the Front Page on any given day. It doesn't matter what the price of oil is or what the markets are doing. If a vast number of this country's population do not humble themselves before the Throne of the Almighty and turn from serving the idol of self, we are doomed as a Nation.
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IDKY wrote: The way I see it. If you are seeking after his will in your life, doing as he commands and love him with all of your heart, soul mind and strength, you will be doing all you can for America. I think most know here on this board that God created this country to be a voice in the wilderness in the last days. To be a blessing to the world and to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. This country has been a blessing to the world. Americans have done more than any other country to date to spread the gospel in my eyes.
We need to take a honest look at what we have allow our leaders to do in this world today. We need to look at the filth we export around the world today. We need to look at how we put greed before the poor of this world. Look at how we have allowed God's word to be watered down. We have laws that say good is evil and evil is good. I'm sure God is looking at what we have become and doesn't like what he sees. He tells us to repent and turn to him and he will bless us. What's it going to take to get our nation to repent and turn to him. We have kicked him out of our nation. We have leaders that have traded God's law for their fortune and fame, and we have no one to blame but ourselves.
If you really want to get this country back, I would suggest not looking at men to do it. I would suggest that you do it. I suggest you quit looking for a saviour and look towards the saviour. Put God first in your lives. Do as he commands. Love him with all you have and then go out and spread the gospel the best you can. Start reading his Word. Learn how he wants you to live your life. Then live your life as he would have you live it.
I think when we start hating this world and want to be with him, we start living. The only reason that I can see to want to be here one more day than we have to be is to find a lost soul and help them find the truth and salvation. I praise God for sending some one to witness to me and I thank Charlie Daniels for recording a song that help me open my eyes.
AMEN, IDKY!!! I couldn't agree more with what you posted here!
Ya'll got a good thread going on! And I do agree with the orignial posting.
I feel we are living in the end of days, & soon will cease to exist as a free Country. My Husband & I, pray we are wrong...yet all the signs are there..
All I know is that we will fight til' the day God calls us home.
God Bless Ya'll & NEVER give up. ♥
vicki530 wrote:
The problem is that any change whatsoever on CFA's part gives the appearance of weakness to their enemies. Like foreign terrorists, these perpetrators of domestic terrorism jump on their prey if the slightest indecision or weakness is detected. Terrorism is still terrorism even if it's instigated by domestic sources and is designed to destroy a business or institution. It is the MO of progressives and does not require bombs, just the cooperation of the press, social medias, and disgruntled, whiney little hired and unhired mobs of social misfits who want their agenda to be accepted, no matter how warped or disgusting it may be. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are experts at this kind of extortion and manipulation and have practiced it for years to get companies to fold or change under their pressure. It's still physchological, social, and financial Domestic Terrorism to gain submission from your opponent and force them into compliance with your progressive agenda. Sadly, CFA walked into the final play on the LGBT chessboard, and in his innocence, Mr. Cathy didn't understand that his move has allowed them to (falsely) claim victory. We have to always remember that progressives follow the same playbook as our friends in the Religion of Peace--if they see or smell the slightest weakness on the part of the enemy--they WILL exploit it. What a sad, sorry state they have fallen to. Vicki thanks for saying what I was thinking, so well. The whole time I was reading the link I was seeing stinking Jessie Jackson's face in my head. This is what he and Al Sharpton have done for so long, as you have said. Now the whole liberal left have taken their cue from them and use the same tactics on anybody and everybody who doesn't conform to their views.
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Jesse Duke fan wrote: My wife and I recorded the History Channel's mini-series "The Hatfield's and McCoys" and just got done watching part 2. Whenever I watch shows like that I'm reminded how much courage people had in older days. Even in my lifetime I've seen how much we've lost our courage, AKA guts. Now, I'm not saying that all "guts" was good. It takes guts to do terrible things too but mostly the term we use as "guts' refers to the GOOD kind of bravery. When you consider the bumper sticker "God, guns and guts made America great" we're talking about the courage of good Americans.
It's well documented about how liberals are trying to take God and guns away from Americans but they're also trying to take the other third of that bumper sticker away as well and they're being much more subtle about it. Kids these days aren't the same as they used to be. In a way I'm glad to see that they're not as brave because I (selfishly) don't want any of my grandsons to do something stupid and get killed sometime in the future but liberals are weakening our nation by creating a bunch of wimps. We're teaching our kids "zero tolerance" for violence. There's been many cases of an innocent kid in school trying to defend themselves getting into as much trouble as the bully who beat him to a pulp. The bully could throw 100 punches before the victim even attempts one and the punishment is equal. Victims are supposed to take every punch without responding. Not only that but we teach our kids to "tolerate" sin. In other words, they shouldn't be brave and stand up for what the Bible believes but they should be wimps and bow down to the rules that are crammed down their throats from "tolerant" polticians who have no tolerance for Christians. Kids are being taught that Christianity is a hateful intolerant religion and having the guts to say otherwise will get you in trouble.
I could go on but you get the point. All three things are in jeapordy. God is being kicked out of every aspect of our society. We're one Supreme Court Justice away from losing our guns and (ever so sneakingly) America is running out of guts. America is dying in slow motion. I 110% agree with your post JDF. Yet, IF there is a snowball chance in e'll that we can restore our Country & bring it back to God. Then we MUST also, STOP the indoctrination of our children & grandchildren via the public school system aka: indoctrination camps.
The only solution that I know of is homeschool, become self sufficient, educate yourselves on how to live free & live for the Lord! And pass your knowledge onto your kids/grandkids.
If we have a country left to salvage after this December, ...it will be on us to ensure that the future of America, our children/grandchildren, TRULY, value our GOD given rights/freedoms, to make sure they know that their RIGHTS come from God, not from a dictator who is playing God! Ensure that they have a true set of morals, value life, liberty, & have true faith in God!
So many people today are fixated/obsessed over tv shows, electronic gadgets, sports, and are materialistic, narcissists! Their children are not any better & for the most part worse than the parents are, due to the lack of REAL parenting/discipline!
The point to my rant is, we NEED to raise up our next generation of leaders as well educated, REAL Americans, that will not let our Country be destroyed from the inside, or slowly rotted away by p.c., tolerant, antiGod, movements.. or IF we have chance at saving this great Nation, God has blessed us with, it will all be invain. Because it will be lost by the next generation...& we will be to blame for not raising up our kids the way GOD instructed us.
Press suckered by Chick-fil-A fairytale
Mainstream media trumpet nonstory cooked up by 'gay' advocates
Mainstream media organizations have headlined over the last two days Chick-fil-A’s “change” they claim means the company suddenly is promising not to discriminate against homosexuals – and that it would stop giving money to those organizations that promote traditional marriage.
“Chick-fil-A says it will stop funding antigay groups” proclaimed the Detroit Free Press.
But it appears the facts are that the company’s anti-discrimination policy remains just as it was months ago – before the controversy over owner Dan Cathy’s Christian beliefs erupted – and its donations appear to have had no new directive applied.
loner1115 wrote: Press suckered by Chick-fil-A fairytale
Mainstream media trumpet nonstory cooked up by 'gay' advocates
Mainstream media organizations have headlined over the last two days Chick-fil-A’s “change” they claim means the company suddenly is promising not to discriminate against homosexuals – and that it would stop giving money to those organizations that promote traditional marriage.
“Chick-fil-A says it will stop funding antigay groups” proclaimed the Detroit Free Press.
But it appears the facts are that the company’s anti-discrimination policy remains just as it was months ago – before the controversy over owner Dan Cathy’s Christian beliefs erupted – and its donations appear to have had no new directive applied.
By now you might have heard the story about Chick-fil-A and its efforts to open a store in Chicago. The restaurant corporation, in order to appease the strong-arm tactics of one of the city leaders, agreed to stop funding traditional marriage advocacy groups. That action is shocking enough, but what cuts equally to the core of American fiber, is the fact that the "government" dictated how a business should be run, and the business listened.
KeepTheChange wrote: Jesse Duke Fan - Always remember the following and it will not seem so overwhelming:
Romans 12:19 - Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, saith the Lord
Deuteronomy 32:35 & Hebrews 10:30
Romans 12:17 - Recompense to no man evil for evil
and the best one:
Romans 12:21 - Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
As Christians, we don't have a magic wand, we have something infinitely better - we have Jesus Christ. So let Him fight your battles for you! You can defeat Satan on your worst day, and you only have to use a Book - your Bible - the Word of God, and tell Beelzebub to flee and he will!
Thank you so much KTC. I needed this. If Obama wins, can you send this to me every day...I'm going to need it a lot. LOL
In the course of the last year and a half or so, I have made some disparaging remarks on this forum about other candidates I didn't support (such as Ron Paul) and their supporters who frequent this forum. After reading the Scriptures especially Romans 12:17 - "Recompense no man evil for evil" and Romans 12:21 - "Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good", I sincerely apologize for making the statements.
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The future of America's global homo promo
Unstoppable, if Obama is re-elected, says leader of pro-family organization
One month after the World Congress of Families’ unsuccessfully tried to block the U.S. Embassy’s unprecedented support of the Prague Pride homosexual festival, a key member of the pro-family coalition admits that such “gay” activism by the U.S. government will only grow if Barack Obama wins a second term.
“If Obama is elected, there won’t be any way to block it unless the House defunds the embassy,” Liberty Counsel Chairman Mathew Staver told WND in an interview Thursday. “But it is not just the embassy that is involved; it is all the agencies in the Obama administration.”
Former Arkansas governor and TV and radio talk-show host posted a statement yesterday from Dan Cathy, CEO of Chick Fil-A, that further clears the air over claims the company had capitulated to demands of the supporters of same sex marriage.
If Obama is reelected tomorrow am I the only one here who thinks it will be the beginning of the end?
I'm going to change my lifestyle if Obama wins. I will no longer think about or focus on global issues. I will downsize the things I allow in my life and only focus on God and family. I will have lost all faith in the American people.
Jesse Duke fan wrote: If Obama is reelected tomorrow am I the only one here who thinks it will be the beginning of the end?
I'm going to change my lifestyle if Obama wins. I will no longer think about or focus on global issues. I will downsize the things I allow in my life and only focus on God and family. I will have lost all faith in the American people.
I don't know, I am holding my breath to see how it turns out.
Even if Romney wins, unless it is a total landslide victory, I will have my doubts about the majority of the people.
Romney is not a constitutionalist, he is conservative only when compared to BO, and I have my doubts that he will make eonough changes to really make a difference in the direction of the country.
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Even if Romney wins, unless it is a total landslide victory, I will have my doubts about the majority of the people.
Romney is not a constitutionalist, he is conservative only when compared to BO, and I have my doubts that he will make eonough changes to really make a difference in the direction of the country.
I agree with your response Herb. On page 10A of today's USA Today, liberal columnist DeWayne Wickham makes a very logical argument for the death of the Republican party. He claims that it won't be long before whites are the minority. According to him they already are in states like Texas. According to him minorities will never vote Republican so the party will fade into history. He's happy about that but he fails to mention that a one party system always leads to horrible things. We're going to have a future where (if we do have two parties) one will be liberal and the other will be ultra liberal. They'll call them two parties but they'll really be one. If our nation doesn't fall soon it certainly will then.
Even if Romney wins, unless it is a total landslide victory, I will have my doubts about the majority of the people.
Romney is not a constitutionalist, he is conservative only when compared to BO, and I have my doubts that he will make eonough changes to really make a difference in the direction of the country.
I agree with your response Herb. On page 10A of today's USA Today, liberal columnist DeWayne Wickham makes a very logical argument for the death of the Republican party. He claims that it won't be long before whites are the minority. According to him they already are in states like Texas. According to him minorities will never vote Republican so the party will fade into history. He's happy about that but he fails to mention that a one party system always leads to horrible things. We're going to have a future where (if we do have two parties) one will be liberal and the other will be ultra liberal. They'll call them two parties but they'll really be one. If our nation doesn't fall soon it certainly will then.
From what I saw of the primaries, your prediction has already come true.
The few really conservative candidates were ignored by the voters.
As I see it, we have a country that is mostly ultra liberal and just liberal people, that vote for that type of candidate.
There are not enough real conservative constitutionalist to elect a dogcatcher. Even if Mitt wins it will be with the liberal voters help.
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Jesse Duke fan wrote: If Obama is reelected tomorrow am I the only one here who thinks it will be the beginning of the end?
I'm going to change my lifestyle if Obama wins. I will no longer think about or focus on global issues. I will downsize the things I allow in my life and only focus on God and family. I will have lost all faith in the American people.
No need to fear a thing if you are saved by the blood. God is in control.
No need to fear a thing if you are saved by the blood. God is in control.
Amen. I'm not afraid for myself because I am saved but it's just sad to see America dying. As I type this (11pm EST) things look really bad for Romney and America's future. By 2016 we won't recognize the nation that patriots have loved for 236 years. I can't imagine how we can survive 4 more years of Obama.
Woops, sorry. Somehow I didn't get your quote up correctly IDKY
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The votes are not all in, I'm holding out for a miracle. Maybe once the votes are all counted Obama will not be re-elected, and Romney will be elected.
America,and my country South Africa,are the only two nations on earth invented by a bunch of brave(non governent sanctioned)rugged,individual pioneers who travelled in animal drawn wagons and charted their own course.They made something great from nothing.Because we are made up of the offspring of rugged individualist pioneers, we have never really got on as a whole.(just look at how many church denominations we both have!) Both our countries have been fiercely culturally diverse lands from our colonial beginnings. The mid-20th century's cultural cohesiveness(glossing over segregation and civil rights) was the exception, not the rule.This is the price of living in a truly free country where rugged individualism and liberty is demanded.
We're more affluent than we ever have been and we have used this affluence to seal ourselves off in the community of our choosing while trying to ignore the other communities in our same land.That is the liberty of freedom of association.
South Africa has been "ahead" of America in this regard and is today a collection of cultures living past each other rather than a cohesive nation.
One is proud of our past and history,the other derides it.
Sadly America is going that way too.The only solution is to live in a small community of similar values and ignore the rest,while making our own successes of our lives.
____________________ “We continue to be exasperated by the view, apparently gaining momentum in certain circles, that armed robbery is okay as long as nobody gets hurt! The proper solution to armed robbery is a dead robber, on the scene.”
I believe the media had a HUGE part in Obama winning. I have done all I can to let everyone know what the media is doing. They have turned this country into thinking all Republicans are racist, women haters, etc. Not once did I see the tea party do or say anything racist. And the media called them racist and had entertainers on their shows calling them racist, constantly. I am a Republican and I am sick of the media calling me a racist! We all are letting the media run this country. I will not watch MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN. I do see the proof on the web from Drudge Report, The Blaze, and Daily Caller etc. They always have proof. MSNBC has got to be the meanest, nastiest, most hateful group of people I have ever seen in my lifetime (Ed, Rachel, Chris Matthews, ODonnell, Sharpton). CNN is getting just as bad. But they are all still on the air. Why? Do you guys watch them? What do we do to let them know, we won't take it anymore? Because this will go on for every election now.
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____________________ Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead.
Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow.
Do not walk beside me either.
Just pretty much leave me alone.
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okiefour wrote: I believe the media had a HUGE part in Obama winning. I have done all I can to let everyone know what the media is doing. They have turned this country into thinking all Republicans are racist, women haters, etc. Not once did I see the tea party do or say anything racist. And the media called them racist and had entertainers on their shows calling them racist, constantly. I am a Republican and I am sick of the media calling me a racist! We all are letting the media run this country. I will not watch MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC or CNN. I do see the proof on the web from Drudge Report, The Blaze, and Daily Caller etc. They always have proof. MSNBC has got to be the meanest, nastiest, most hateful group of people I have ever seen in my lifetime (Ed, Rachel, Chris Matthews, ODonnell, Sharpton). CNN is getting just as bad. But they are all still on the air. Why? Do you guys watch them? What do we do to let them know, we won't take it anymore? Because this will go on for every election now.
Basically, she's asserting that there are too many white males on the Republican side and that's pretty much why they lost. So Deb, I guess you're saying that everyone in your party is a racist and a sexist, because, according to you, they aren't voting ideology, but race and gender. There's more I'd like to say about Ms. Wasserman-Schultz, but Charlie and his mods wouldn't like my choice of words.
My America died decades ago. I can’t remember exactly when.
I think it was a Sunday morning in the seventies when I suddenly missed the sound of church bells and realized that my America was gone and I was going to spend the rest of my life trying to fit in.
I am a dinosaur; an old man that relives his youthful adventures and tells the stories of his childhood. Church bells were a big part of that time. It was a successful experiment in Pavlov’s Theory of Conditioned Response. The bells tolled at six on Sunday morning calling the faithful to church. The Angelus rang at six every evening like a celestial alarm clock.
When we lived with my grandparents the town woke to the mine whistle and grandma spread the dinner to the Angelus. Back in Bethlehem it was the shift whistle at the steel mill, the church bells at six and the streetlights just after dusk.
Small pockets of my America remain in old neighborhoods and small towns keeping my hope alive. The people there are dying out but while they remain hope still lives.
There, folks just do things because they just need to be done. Not for pay, not for praise, not even for thanks – just because it is needed.
I mowed many a yard, shoveled a lot of sidewalks, raked a lot of leaves and carried a lot of hot food to shut-ins just because it needed to be done.
I miss that attitude.
I miss the corner candy store. I miss walking home from the Boys Club after dark and not fearing strangers. I miss homemade popcorn balls and candied apples on Halloween. I miss the plate of Polish treats that Mrs Kosloski gave me at Christmas. I miss neighbors calling, “Michael, I made new cookies. Come try one.” I miss being free to run through the woods. I didn’t at the time but I miss all the neighbors knowing my name, knowing where I lived and how to reach my parents.
But, most of all, I miss the church bells.
____________________ Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead.
Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow.
Do not walk beside me either.
Just pretty much leave me alone.
Apparently the White House referred to Christmas Trees as “Holiday Trees” for the first time this year which prompted CBS presenter, Ben Stein, to present this piece which I would like to share with you. I think it applies just as much to many countries as it does to America . . .
The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary.
My confession:
I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejewelled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.
It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, “Merry Christmas” to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want a crib, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.
I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.
Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.
In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.
Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her: “How could God let something like this happen?” (regarding Hurricane Katrina). Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said: “I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?”
In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.
Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.
Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.
Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'
Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.
Are you laughing yet?
Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.
Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.
Pass it on if you think it has merit.
If not, then just discard it.... no one will know you did. But if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
intrepid6640 wrote: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke
Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797)
I ain't ready to give up quite yet.
A whole lot of good men, and women, have worked hard against the evil of Godless socialism/communism, but it seems that our efforts have been in vain, as evil is winning.
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It isn't just the politicians that don't believe, there are a HUGE number of the "conservative" crowd that don't believe.
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Herb wrote: intrepid6640 wrote: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Edmund Burke
Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797)
I ain't ready to give up quite yet.
A whole lot of good men, and women, have worked hard against the evil of Godless socialism/communism, but it seems that our efforts have been in vain, as evil is winning.
Herb I understand what you mean. Read Hebrews 11. The way I read it they may be able to hassle us but they will be powerless to make us go away. Many thanks to those men and women you mentioned, past and present.
____________________ Trust in God and keep your powder dry.
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Remember the past... it once was the future.
for now,
We have to always remember that progressives follow the same playbook as our friends in the Religion of Peace--if they see or smell the slightest weakness on the part of the enemy--they WILL exploit it.
No one can argue with your assessment on this one, Herb. 
