Since the "survival" thread has been dropped, I was hoping that those of us that see the handwriting on the wall (or just want to be prepared), would like to take another look at what is possible in planning ahead in case T*HTF.
A Muscle-Powered Fire Starter *
Needed: A section of cane, a straight piece of hardwood, hemp fibers, whittling knife, charred timber, wood shavings, firewood, grease
Cut a section of cane just below the joint so the bottom of the cane section is enclosed. Whittle a piece of hardwood into the shape of a plunger. Test the plunger so that it fits inside the piece of cane, sliding it so it goes to the enclosed bottom -not too loose, not too tight.
Take the hemp fibers and wrap them around the large end of the plunger so that it fits snugly when the plunger is pushed into the cane. Tie the hemp and cut off the excess. If needed, whittle some more on the hardwood until the plunger fits snugly.
Take a bit of grease (not sure which would work best), and liberally smear it over the tightly wrapped hemp fibers. On the end, attach a small amount of charred timber - or drop it into the cane. The fit should be airtight.
Push the plunger into the cane section with force, muscleing the plunger in and out until the end of the cane grows hot. Then remove the plunger and the tinder should be glowing with sparks which when gently blown on will ignite the wood shavings already set aside. Add more and larger pieces of firewood as needed for the size of fire you want.
* I got the idea from an historical novel I just finished reading called "Glory River" written by Cameron Judd.
If you have any ideas for survival plans, especially if there is no electricity, gas for vehicles or modern conveniences, I would like to read your responses of what you plan to do in case T*HTF!
____________________ "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
I keep a multi pack of Bic Lighters in the kitchen drawer with candles. Sterno cans would be a good idea to have around.
Watching the evening news has gotten me to start thinking more on preparing long term supplies for the family just in case we have to sit tight for a while.
Anyone know how to make an animal snare? Have you ever fished with a spear - or just a hook on a line? Have you ever made "pemmican" or "pan biscuits"? Have you ever had to slaughter an animal for food? Could you prepare a slaughtered animal for long-term storage? Remember - no electricity and possibly NO grocery store! Anybody for Hobo Stew?
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The "muscle powered fire starter" is also known as a "fire piston." They are sold commercially, but can also be made out of various materials... wood, metal tubes, etc. I've even seen them made out of old AA or AAA size flashlight tubes. Here is how to make one that will be quite durable and reliable:
I'd finish it, where he was complaining about the ugly end of the tube side, by boring out a wooden tube that the metal tube would fit snugly inside. That would also help seal the end where he was saying if you aren't careful hammering in the plug (he was ruining his file there! LOL) that it might not seal. Just enough epoxy in there to ooze out just a tiny bit will hold it in place and further complete the seal, and the big wooden pieces on each end would make it easier on your hands and/or table, whatever you would slam it against. I use my knee while kneeling beside the fire I've built. You can carve the wood, and finish it all fancy and everything if you'd like.
Some of the "secret ingredients" if you will for fire starting without chemicals, cigarette lighters, etc... char cloth, clothes dryer lint, and wax coated cardboard.
Char cloth is heavy cotton cloth, old blue jeans, pillow ticking, old cotton tarps, etc, that have been cut into fairly small chunks, say an inch square. Bigger doesn't hurt anything, but doesn't help either. Put the cloth into an old tin can, and heat it over a flame or on the stove at a fairly high heat until it chars and turns black. Char cloth will catch sparks from flint and steel, fire steel, and similar spark sources, and the sparks will stay lit much longer than they will on other surfaces. It will also ignite from the fire piston, as shown in the video, as well as from things like a magnifying glass in the sun.
Clothes dryer lint is like magic for starting fires. It burns unbelievably well. Don't throw it away! Save it for use as a fire starter! Put it in a zip lock bag to keep it dry. When you get some sparks on the char cloth, carefully surround it with some dryer lint, then gently blow to ignite. (On a side note... if you haven't cleaned out your dryer venting system in a while, DO IT! That is a very common source for house fires, and a dryer vent that is getting clogged costs you money too. It kills the efficiency of the dryer.) Some people make fire starters out of lint and cardboard egg cartons. Pack a ball in each cavity, and pour some melted wax over the top to seal it in. Cut them apart.
Speaking of cardboard and wax, you can also cut some strips of corrugated cardboard (cut ACROSS the corrugation, not along it), say an inch or two wide, and roll them up into rolls anywhere from about 2 inches in diameter on up. Tie cotton string around them to hold them rolled up. Dip them in, or pour over, melted wax. You don't want to make them a solid chunk of wax with cardboard inside, but more of well soaked cardboard. As a shortcut, you can sometimes get waxed cardboard from the produce department at a grocery store, but the home made ones will stay rolled up better. If you leave several inches of string hanging out of the knot, you can use the string to hold to dip with. Get some wax on the string, and light that just like the wick on a candle. These little waxed hockey pucks are quite water resistant, and will burn for a while, helping get your fire going.
Last edited on Mon May 28th, 2012 02:20 pm by GaCDBFan
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Learn to can food, most vegetables and fruit is safe and easy to can, but be very careful canning fish and meats.
Learn to make Jerky. Basically cut all the fat off of the meat season it, then cook it very slowly over a low fire until it is completely dried out. You need to get all the fat off or it will go rancid.
Have an extra supply of any medication you may be on, this is especially important if you need your medication in order to live.
Have a reliable water source and a way to sterilize the water.
GaCDBfan - Post#4 - That was a excellant video, thanks. As a former aircraft sheetmetal mechanic (18 years) though, I wouldn't hold a small piece of metal and try to drill the end of it as this person did. I do like the concept of the fire-starter, btw - someone could go with this and make million$ lol. Although, I'm interested in learning to make (and use) things for survival that are made without using modern conveniences. When T*HTF and no electricity (therefore no modern conveniences) is available, we will need other means for coping. The clothes dryer lint was something I hadn't thought of, and as a source for starting a fire could be used for bartering. I'll trade you an ounce of lint for a roll of toilet paper . Ha! Ha!
Thank you for replying!
Last edited on Tue May 29th, 2012 12:50 am by KeepTheChange
____________________ "Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." - Ben Franklin
Yea, I rolled my eyes with disbelief at that (drilling the end of the rod) too. I'd have AT LEAST clamped it in some vice grips, or better a bench vice, so I didn't drill my fingertips WHEN (not if) the drill slips. Other than that, they are pretty easy to make. There are numerous web sites selling these things from $15 to over $100 for some made with some pretty exotic materials. Yes, you need modern conveniences to make one of them this way, but you can make several now, and stash them where you can find them later...
Another cheap, but effective fire starter material... stretch out a standard cotton ball until it is a flat sheet a couple inches long (or use a piece of dryer lint). Smear a generous blob of petroleum jelly on it, like mayo or mustard on a piece of bread for a sandwich. Roll the cotton ball back up, squishing the jelly throughout the fibers. Store several in an old film can or zip lock bag. When you need a fire, pull one out, stretch it back out again, and spark it with fire steel, or flint and steel, or a fire piston ember. Lights easily, burns for several minutes, and they are fairly waterproof.
Another thing handy to know, especially if you have a pool, is that pool shock (the calcium hypochlorite type... I'm not sure if any other shock will work, but someone who has some could try it and let us know if it does...), when mixed with standard brake fluid, will spontaneously combust. It'll sit there for a few seconds doing nothing, then start smoking quite a bit, then light on fire.
Another thing that might be handy if you need to start a fire, is a standard soda can. Use a bit of very fine grit clay to rub and polish the dished bottom. Get it as shiny as possible, then hold it pointed at the sun. Hold a char cloth at the point where the spot of concentrated light is the smallest. On a bright sunny day, it only takes a few seconds to light. Soda and beer cans are found almost everywhere, even in the "wilderness."
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Well KTC I am still at it and some folks from my area and my Church are having monthly meet ups to talk about survival and prepping for disaster both short and long term. I have been prepping for 15 plus years and have made many mistakes and learned from most of them. Here is a MB that I started and it gives a lot of info and links for people that want to get into prepping. It is really up for my local area but, still a lot of info that everyone can use.
I can't make a snare, but I went to a high school (a Quaker school, in fact) and we had a farm program. We bought feeder piglets and lambs in the spring and usually slaughtered them the following spring. Some of our lambs were home-grown.
I tell ya this, sheep are a LOT easier to dress and skin than hogs. You can get a grip on the skin of a sheep and peel it like an orange. A hog you have to slit-slit-slit through the fat for hours until the skin finally comes off.
I have a few weeks worth of chow, mostly tuna, noodles, beans and rice, stored up, about 6000 rounds of .22lr, a pair of Ruger 10/22s, a place to go, and I have a bunch of those bic charcoal lighters. I don't smoke so I don't use the pocket lighters and I have about 100 gallons of water put aside. I also have water purification chemicals, basic gunsmithing tools, and 20 cartons of Marlboros sealed in plastic. As i said, I don't smoke but cigs will be a medium of exchange.
This is a chronicle by a Sarajevo war survivor. This is a pretty good list if you will prioritize it for your needs.
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.)
12.Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13.Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - good grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula.ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cook stoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Co oking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or.large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first.
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Work boots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS; torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar,bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers , saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber(all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas .Coffee Cigarettes. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats / Chickens
From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.
1. Stockpiling helps. but you never know how long trouble will last, so locate near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden .
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway trust me, you'll have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches.
I've read a few bushcraft and survival books and from what I've read the most important tool to take with you is a good knife. You can probably do without the gun but a knife is essential. I just bought a new tent and replenished my flashlights with batteries and my lanterns with wicks. Do I think I'm ready if society were to fall overnight? No. So, probably the most important thing I'd do, other than have a good knife, is pray.
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If we expect to survive in a situation where there is a total breakdown; even if for a shortwhile, of our society and infrastructure, we should have a complete plan and have layed in the basic necessities. Faith in GOD in my opinion is a must and prayer is the most powerful force on earth but, part of prayer is also listening to what GOD has to say. I believe that the WORD of GOD has given us many clues that we are definitly living in the last days before CHRIST's return for HIS Church. If that is so then we must also know that HE is coming for a tried and tested Bride. The trials are going to be hardships that we never imagined we would have to face. For the one's that planned and made contingencies, it will still be hard but, survivable. For the one's that didn't well, I think that they may get an offer that they can't refuse, especially when they see their family going hungry because they have no means of providing for them. The offer may cost them their souls.
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Gobblerblaster posted "4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)"
That is so true! I went through Hurricane Katrina in the Superdome. Then after getting out Hurricane Rita hit and knocked out water for a week where I was. I missed having running water more then anything. Water to bathe in, water to clean with, water for basic sanitation. Give me water over electricity any day.
If you are going to pick a place to set up camp and stay awhile, pick one with a reliable water source. I'm blessed to live by one, even with the horrid drought of last year the spring fed creek near me still flowed. People have survived without electricity up until the last century, I've yet to see people survive without water.
Gobblerblaster - #14 Post
That is w/o a doubt the best advice someone could give - aside from Stacy G's #15 Post. We all need Christ and we all need water. Thanks GB for reminding us to keep our priorities straight! God Bless!
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Yes all, Prepping for Survival is something that has to be done ahead of a disaster. One second after it happens is already to late and it is usually when most people realize they should have. The LORD told Noah to build and stock the Ark because the flood was coming. The LORD told Joseph through the Pharoah's dream that the Blyte and Drought was coming and to stock for seven years of famine. The LORD is telling us in the book of Revelation that hardships are coming again and many of the prophesied events around the time of are taking place or have already taken place. So why don't more Christians take Preperation more seriously? Answer is that many hve bought into the escapist theology of a Pre-Trib rapture, which I will not engage in an argument over. However this has been translated into the idea that we will not see any hard times because the LORD will take us from the Earth and to believe otherwise is somehow a lack of faith. I think this is a very dangerous teaching and could actually cause many to be forced into accepting the Mark of the beast or into comitting crimes like theft and even murder in order to survive and feed their children because they lack the necessities and knowledge to survive until CHRIST actually does come for HIS Church.
Last edited on Sat Jun 2nd, 2012 02:09 am by Gobblerblaster
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Stacy G wrote: People have survived without electricity up until the last century, I've yet to see people survive without water.
Good point. I wasn't a fan of the Oprah Show when it was on NBC but I sat down occasionally to see bits and pieces of it when my wife used to watch it. It was based in Chicago and once they had a guy on there explaining that Chicago uses strong chemicals to treat the (Great Lakes) water that they use. Those chemicals are so strong that it's not legal to store massive amounts of them together so the city depends on semis to bring them in because Chicago only stores three days worth of those chemicals. After hearing that I thought about the irony here. In a major disruption of the transportation system, a city that sits on the largest fresh water supply in the world would run out of water in a matter of days.
Also, after Katrina I saw a guy on the news standing in a field begging for the government to bring him food. He was surrounded by weeds. He apparently didn't know that many wild plants are edible and I doubt he knew which ones were and which ones weren't.
Think about this for a second. We have potential situations where people are surrounded by fresh water and could die of thirst and people surrounded by food could starve to death. That's how helpless humans have become.
Well I could debate you on the Trib, but I'll be good
I think people need to remember that it doesn't have to be the Trib in order for horrid natural disasters to happen, and it doesn't take a disaster like hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, etc to destroy society. We just have to look at history to see that.
Jesse Duke fan wrote: Stacy G wrote: People have survived without electricity up until the last century, I've yet to see people survive without water.
Good point. I wasn't a fan of the Oprah Show when it was on NBC but I sat down occasionally to see bits and pieces of it when my wife used to watch it. It was based in Chicago and once they had a guy on there explaining that Chicago uses strong chemicals to treat the (Great Lakes) water that they use. Those chemicals are so strong that it's not legal to store massive amounts of them together so the city depends on semis to bring them in because Chicago only stores three days worth of those chemicals. After hearing that I thought about the irony here. In a major disruption of the transportation system, a city that sits on the largest fresh water supply in the world would run out of water in a matter of days.
Also, after Katrina I saw a guy on the news standing in a field begging for the government to bring him food. He was surrounded by weeds. He apparently didn't know that many wild plants are edible and I doubt he knew which ones were and which ones weren't.
Think about this for a second. We have potential situations where people are surrounded by fresh water and could die of thirst and people surrounded by food could starve to death. That's how helpless humans have become.
Sadly boiling the water will not get the chemicals out of it, and I'm not sure if it'd make it drinkable.
New Orleans is the same way, the source of it's drinking water is the Mississippi River which is highly polluted.
I'm not so sure I'd have wanted to eat anything that had gotten saturated by Katrina's flood waters unless I had access to enough clean water to wash the heck out of it. At least not if I had a choice in the matter.
Stacy G wrote: Well I could debate you on the Trib, but I'll be good
I think people need to remember that it doesn't have to be the Trib in order for horrid natural disasters to happen, and it doesn't take a disaster like hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, earthquakes, etc to destroy society. We just have to look at history to see that.
That is a very circumspect point and very true. In our part of the country blizzards and tornadoes have crippled the infrastructure several times and left store shelves bare or stores closed do to power outage. I remember witnessing two elderly women fighting over the last pack of hot dog buns in a local store just before a blizzard, because that was the only bread left. The average supply of food in a grocery store such as Wal-Mart is only three days. If the supply line is severed for any reason they can not restock and in a panic, the stock will only last hours.
Last edited on Mon Jun 4th, 2012 05:03 am by Gobblerblaster
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Stacy G wrote: Jesse Duke fan wrote: Stacy G wrote: People have survived without electricity up until the last century, I've yet to see people survive without water.
Good point. I wasn't a fan of the Oprah Show when it was on NBC but I sat down occasionally to see bits and pieces of it when my wife used to watch it. It was based in Chicago and once they had a guy on there explaining that Chicago uses strong chemicals to treat the (Great Lakes) water that they use. Those chemicals are so strong that it's not legal to store massive amounts of them together so the city depends on semis to bring them in because Chicago only stores three days worth of those chemicals. After hearing that I thought about the irony here. In a major disruption of the transportation system, a city that sits on the largest fresh water supply in the world would run out of water in a matter of days.
Also, after Katrina I saw a guy on the news standing in a field begging for the government to bring him food. He was surrounded by weeds. He apparently didn't know that many wild plants are edible and I doubt he knew which ones were and which ones weren't.
Think about this for a second. We have potential situations where people are surrounded by fresh water and could die of thirst and people surrounded by food could starve to death. That's how helpless humans have become.
Sadly boiling the water will not get the chemicals out of it, and I'm not sure if it'd make it drinkable.
New Orleans is the same way, the source of it's drinking water is the Mississippi River which is highly polluted.
I'm not so sure I'd have wanted to eat anything that had gotten saturated by Katrina's flood waters unless I had access to enough clean water to wash the heck out of it. At least not if I had a choice in the matter.
As a matter of fact Stacy, there are filters that will take out the majority of pollutants from most any water source and many of the units are pretty expensive but, I have stumbled onto some components to make a water filter out of two five gallon buckets and I just put the filter and spigot components in myself. The filters I use are American Made and filter everything down to .05 microns. I have been putting these together and making them available to others at a fraction of the cost of the commercial units. If anyone is interested they can PM me for more info.
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Last edited on Wed Dec 19th, 2012 01:51 am by Gobblerblaster
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I'm ready. I've got my CDB CD's loaded and a six pack in the fridge, bring on the grand finally, I'm going out in style - and then get up and go to work Saturday morning
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By survival you mean what? Some sort of near total devastating event?
If so, I have enough eats, and water to hang loose for a couple weeks, if it aint fixed by then (Which it wont be) then sooner or later you will be needing to go out and get what you need-any way you can.
If you mean some political, Legal breakdown within the USA?
Then I still have my 2 weeks, and I will be sitting there, shooting everything that tries to come in, and if I am overran, I one one spare ready to use on myself.
But, really, now--if it was all to end tomorrow, why would you fight it? It certainly would mean only one thing, Jesus has returned and it is Judgment day, and that would be a good day.
I won't post all my preparations for disaster, man made or natural.
Most of it is common sense if you live in a plains state. GB knows what I mean.
Water? Yes. My water heater has 50 gals. My solar water heater has 110. I have a well for the lawn. That circuit is wired for the generator and I also have a picher pump I can use if needed.
Fire? When I run out of Blue Tip Strike Anywhere Matches, which'll be a while, I can always use my magnifying glass, or my flint & steel.
Directions? Multiple maps, atlas's and compass's.
Cash--ATM's don't work and neither does plastic.
If it's REALLY htf, then money is useless, but the three B's are good to have.
The three B's are Beans, Bullets and Bullion.
TP is also a good commodity. Too bad there's no more Sears or Monkey Wards Catalogues. I don't think those Victoria's Secret ones would work too well.
As for "The END OF THE WORLD"?
I took care of that a long time ago because Christ died for me on Calvary and I believe and have Faith in His Salvation.
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I'm Up By 3 Just Starting Out The Day!
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Yep, I do NHA. Winter Preps almost all done for me. I have already changed oil in both generators. Gassed up the reserves with Stabul mixed in, Propane Tank is full. Plenty of Firewood. Freezers and Pantry are full. I am going to get out after this wind dies down and put all the Redneck Storm windows on (Visqueen). It looks like us Plain's Staters might get to see how prepared we are around Christmas. Weatherman says a big one comin in, we'll just have to see. Lord knows we could use the moisture. As for Sociatal Breakdown, still got over 1 year's worth of shelf stable goods.Taxmeggedon, to poor to have to worry much about that. Assualtweaponmeggedon (your Ruger 10/22 is going to be classified as an Assault Weapon), got all I want and they ain't gettin em unless they step over a cold corpse after the smoke clears. As for the Mayan Calendar well, I'll go ahead and make plans for the 22nd of the Month. And yes I agree, they can have my fleshly body or what ever is left of it, cause my soul belongs to CHRIST.
P.S. Toilet Paper can be like Gold but, Ma Bell's phone book works. LORD know we get enough of them. I actually do keep them in a rodent proof locker out in the shed. They'd be a whole lot better than nothin.
Last edited on Thu Dec 20th, 2012 04:35 pm by Gobblerblaster
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